Rick Moran can’t take it anymore. It starts with Sarah Palin’s Facebook statement.
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Moran counters with this:
You’re absolutely right, governor. That kind of a system would indeed be “downright evil.”
Except, there is nothing in any proposal by any Democrat, Republican, Greenie, Communist, New Nazi, or a Flat Earther on health care that even hints about a “death panel.” You’re just making stuff up.
In fact, it’s hard to know just what the hell you’re referring to. Are you talking about the now dead proposal for a Medicare commission to decide treatment options for diseases (not people)?
I like Sarah Palin, I relate to her background and her story, but if she wants to be a serious candidate for office, throwing around rhetoric like Michael Savage is not going to do it.
And it doesn’t stop at death-panels. Turning on the news I found the Nazi party is alive and strong in America. Hitler must be up for election, because the N-word is flying from both sides like spittle from Howard Dean’s lips.
We have entered a phase in the “debate” over health care where the two sides can’t lie enough about the other’s motives, intentions, and ancestry. One would think that resurrecting Winston Churchill was in order, there are so many Nazis to fight. Both sides have been flinging the “N” word (”Nazi”) around like a monkey in a zoo tossing his feces at the gawkers. Pelosi, the DNC, a few tea partiers, and even a stray GOP lawmaker or two have used the word “Nazi” to describe their political opponents lately.
And it works. Eight years of hearing “Bush is a Nazi” brought in the era of Obama, Republicans, never ones for originality, have picked up the meme. Granted, I don’t think the situations at the town halls are orchestrated, at least not to any great length, and the Democrats should know better. They study the Republican party more than anyone and know the GOP isn’t capable of organizing a kegger at the Kennedy compound. But, if the swastika fits, you fling it. Not knowing how to deal with real dissent from real common folks, the guy with the $10 fishing hat from K-Mart is suddenly “well-dressed” and tales of Brooks Brother brownshirts are spread by everyone from Chris Matthews to Paul Krugman. It’s amazing how effete men with six-figure salaries and limo service feel about the rabble.
It’s chaos and it’s the fault of the Democrats. The party was so set on ramming through healthcare by August, it threw out all the stops, including reading the bill. When opposition wanted to slow down, accusations flaired of “stifling the debate.” There was a debate? As evidence has shown, one can figure out what the Democrats are up to by what they accuse Republicans of doing.
Fact is, the country is angry. Conservatives feel sold out by their own party and taking things into their own hands. Democrats, with absolutely no desire or ability to govern, are doing what they naturally do – play the Nazi card and blame Republicans for all the world’s ills. I’d tell you what right wing talk is doing, but I can’t take listening to it.
And who’s to blame? Barack Obama. Granted, I don’t want him passing health care reform, or reforms of any kind. I don’t like his ideas. But his lack of leadership is driving a wedge through this country. The great uniter clearly sees this as us vs. them, it’s apparent in every statement he utters from his teleprompter.
Remember at how “divisive” George W. Bush was in the aftermath of the Iraq War? Moran provides these dueling quotes from Bush’s Administration and from Obama’s own lips this week.
“I think the president welcomes the fact that we are a democracy and people in the United States, unlike Iraq, are free to protest and to make their case known.” (White House statement on anti-war protestors, 2002).
“I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.” (Obama on health care protestors, yesterday).
This statement is ignored by mainstream media types, while the death of Post-Racial America is thrust on whites for not voting or buying into the black guy. A similar statement from Bush leading to the Iraq War would have led to cries of impeachment, not talk of racial demographic platitudes. I hate to remind the pollsters, Obama had a record approval in the high 70s in January. This was definitely a country that wanted to move on. That’s a good chunk of Republicans and Democrats, as well as McCain voters. If Obama wasn’t too black then, what’s happened? Obama decided he had no interest in governing but in spreading empathy. We all know whose empathy will be spread.
For forty-years, the middle class has been told it’s the problem with this country. Not taxed enough, take too many of the good jobs, use up too much of the health care, etc. It’s been vilified by the culture, by the media and by politicians while those same groups rely on the middle class to watch their movies, read their news while their money is handed out to everyone who hates them, whether its the NEA, illegals, ACORN or random lobbyists. Sooner or later, enough had to be enough.
Health care may be a blip on the radar. Hopefully, this disaster doesn’t pass, the economy improves in six months, and our President has moved on and learned – I wish him nothing but the best. But this could be the beginning of something else. The blame for that lies with the so-called elites, be they in Washington, Berkeley, New York or Hollywood. It’s a shame, because it didn’t have to be this way.
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Thanks for saying this! I agree. There is much to worry about and much more debate. It helps no one to go insane in these debates or for idiots to run around like chicken littles spitting our crazy theories or hyperbole that turns off everyone who doesn’t live in their bunker. All this does is distract us from the real debate and make the rest of us waste our time dealing with stupidity.
I’ve been struggling with people who are doing this more and more and they simply won’t listen. They KNOW they are right. And when you show them they are not, you suddenly become “disloyal” or “biased” or “you’re part of the system that’s trying to keep the truth from getting out.” Yep that’s me idiot, you caught me. I tattooed a number on your butt too while we were talking and now they’re coming for you dude. . . run!
Seriously, I’ve stopped going to some websites and slowed my participation at others because all I was hearing was “evil”, “Hitler,” and “they’re COMING to round us up!!!! IT’s 1939 ALL OVER again!!!!”
Just as long as you keep coming back to threedonia.com, Andrew…
I’m not trying to sound like chicken little…
There is no ‘Death Panel’ but there is legislation regarding end of life counseling:
“Section 1233 of the House-drafted legislation encourages health care providers to provide their Medicare patients with counseling on ‘the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration’ and other end of life treatments, and may place seniors in situations where they feel pressured to sign end of life directives they would not otherwise sign.
With kooks like John Holdren and Ezekiel Emanuel running around and ‘Snitch Lists’ set up by the White House its making me a little uneasy where this whole thing is heading.
It’s one thing to discuss end of life counseling, but do it on the merits. To talk about “death panels” and to inject your baby into the drama isn’t something a serious candidate does. I liked Sarah Palin a lot, she’s the only politician I made an effort to see in person, but she’s really lost me the last few months.
As for snitch lists and the like, I don’t like where it’s heading either, but it’s nothing new. Clinton used the FBI to dig for dirt on candidates and god knows what some law enforcement agencies were doing with the Patriot Act. I’m all for passionate debate, but right now my dad is talking about burying guns and food in the backyard.
“With kooks like John Holdren and Ezekiel Emanuel running around and ‘Snitch Lists’ set up by the White House its making me a little uneasy where this whole thing is heading.”
Steve- These kooks and what they say on these matters has been documented. Obama himself may have no plans in the works for any of this, but those he surrounds himself with, as so-called “czars”, certainly do and would implement these plans if and when the opportunity arises.
Obama is steeped in hard left wing thinking and it shows by looking at who he reaches out to for advice. Holdren and Ezekiel Emanuel would’ve been a tough sell to the Senate so Obama makes the a Czar and avoids the whole mess.
I agree Steve. As far as Palin is concerned give her a break. If this pile of smoking donkey droppings the Dems are trying to shove down our throats isn’t evil, it’s unconstitutional. The fact that certain actions are being ignored like citizens being attacked by Obama’s thugs at his request (Hit them twice as hard, the WH’s words not mine) one should see where teh words fascist and brownshirt and Obama and his thugs sort of dove tail. The thing is the people have a right to be angry. The Administration promised an end to divisiveness and then started doing their best Hugo CHavez imitations…..they were the ones that brought up swastikas and called Senior citizens and other concerned Americans Nazis. As far as the right is concerned, what are people supposed to say in reaction to the Flag@whitehouse.gov issue? When Union thugs at Obamawan’s behest are beating people up. THe reality is one side is excercising their right of free speech and the other side, the minority is behaving in brutish tactics fit for Nazi Brownshirts circa 1929. Don’t like it? Tell Obama. All he has to do is say look we need to hear everybody and instead he is telling the people who VOTED FOR HIS worthless butt to shut up…..
John, DON’T FORGET ABOUT ALINSKY!!!!!! He is the smartest man ever. He’s smarter than Mussolini and more charismatic than TOJO and he had a plan to subvert us all, a plan that Obama is following like a 12 point plan. It’s true, there are secret people all over the government . . . in fact, there’s a secret government being built by ACORN, and they’re ready to start rounding us up and selling us to the Chinese to make us into a new Caliphate. Did you know he doesn’t have a birth certificate!! It’s true! And he doesn’t because his mother slept with Hitler and that’s why he won’t show us, he’s really the son of Hitler!!! Why won’t you listen to me!
Sorry, John, I just wanted to see what it felt like to be paranoid. Felt kind of stupid really.
P.S. John, I’m sorry to hear that your father has gone off the deep end. I have a lot of sympathy. Some of my family has gone crazy too. They hear this garbage on television and the radio and it just makes them paranoid. And, frankly, too many people are so ignorant of how their government works, how the Nazis really worked, and how the frickin’ world works, that they can’t see through the demagoguery and the demonization and (often) the lies. I spend half my days trying to deprogram people from this crap and it still isn’t enough.
What I’m not understand, and not entirely believing what I’m hearing and seeing – is the f’n POTUS telling his people to “get in their faces” and “get out of the way” and senators shutting up townhall meetings. Have we finally turned into that Banana Republic. I thought this guy is the f’n POTUS, that’s the whole country, not the coasts and urban elites.
urp – spelling mistakes galore. Time for bed…
One of my brothers is saying he wants to run to the mountains and hide or go to Jerusalem for the end…when I told him he was full of sh*t he stopped talking to me. I stopped demprograming people and just f it. If you are reading WND, listening to that former hippy dirt bag Farah and won’t listen to me then screw it…I am done. The left is doing enough that we all have seen and heard to condemn them, they are killing themselves without any help from rumor mongering freaks on the right……
I have stopped trying to deprogram most people, but I can’t do that with family. I’ll give you a non-political example. My relatives live in a town with virtually no crime, especially compared to the size of the population. But there were a spate of home invasions — all related to drug deals gone wrong. The tv news has been blaring about the home invasions every night for six months, and the politicians are all demanding action for this “crisis.” By this point, my relatives won’t open the door even for people like the UPS guy because they’re sure it’s a home invasion. They truly live in fear anytime someone comes to the door.
I asked them how many home invasions they thought there were in the city that year. They said around 200. I went to the police website and showed them that it was SIX, and all in one part of town. That, they understood, and they finally calmed down. But try as I might, I can’t get them to understand that Biden hasn’t activated an Army unit that they are training to go house to house and collect guns. They heard that one on the radio.
Andrew,
I’ve written about this before. It has to do with our past. When we lived in small tribes it was a great trait to be able to notice threats, and fixate on them. Now that the world is our environment through our television sets we think everything we see is a threat to us, no matter how remote.
Good post JohnFN.
Conservatives feel sold out by their own party
They have a party? That would be news to the present Republican party leadership.
The greatest irony of Obamacare would be when the most unproductive people on earth, Obamacare bureaucrats, sit in judgement on who lives and dies, based on their “productivity”.
I think “death panel” is probably an unfair term, but I certainly think she has a point. We know that Obama favors a single-payer health care system, and we know that Barney Frank hopes that the government option will evolve into just that.
When you look at countries that have this system—take Great Britain, for example—you find things that are not “death panels” in which people are sentenced to death, but something almost as troubling.
Are you blind in one eye? You may not get that new heart valve. Because conditions like blindness are assigned negative points, and if your “quality of life” score drops below an arbitrary level you cannot qualify for some procedures.
Are you an older, pregnant woman? Better hope that test doesn’t show signs of Downs Syndrome. If it does, the government will be happy to pay for your abortion, but maybe not to deliver the child. The child will also not qualify for many procedures because of its “quality of life.”
So no, they’re not talking about sentencing individual people to die, but they’re talking about dispassionately calculating the worth of people’s lives by looking at how healthy their bodies are, and making a flat judgment that some people, because of disabilities, are not worth keeping alive.
And I don’t see anything crazy about discussing that.
I agree, Mike. I don’t buy it at all when the supporters of Obamacare scrunch up their faces and make little fists and scream, “IT’S NOT ABOUT RATIONING ANYTHING! THAT’S NOT WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT!”
See, this is one difference between the Left and the Right. The Left makes laws because they feel in their hearts that something (pretty much anything, as long as it costs public money) must be done. For them, the emotion is everything. “We care, therefore we are right. Anyone asking hard questions is just hard-hearted.”
The Right looks at proposals and says, “What will the outcome be? How will it be paid for? Will the benefits outweigh the costs?” We don’t give a rip about the motives. We want things that work in the real world.
I often remember an early episode of Saturday Night Live, when they stopped everything for some reason (probably they were vamping because John Belushi was in the next sketch and he’d collapsed again backstage), so they had guest-host Candace Bergen out on the stage, chatting with Gilda Radner. And they started talking about the Equal Rights Amendment, which was a big issue at the time.
And Gilda says, “Well, I just don’t like the idea of unisex bathrooms.”
And Candace says, “No, that’s not what it’s about!”
She did not refute the idea that the ERA might lead to unisex bathrooms. She just appealed to her own noble aspirations. “Don’t ask what the real-world outcome will be! Judge the amendment on the sincerity of the proponents!”
More than 30 years have passed, and we still haven’t seen through that smokescreen.
And it was not too long ago that when someone opposed to the inclusion of homosexuals as a specially-protected class of citizen would make a statement like, “What’s next, gay marriage?” And homosexual activists would laughingly point out that no one was talking about anything like that.
I remember that sketch.
It’s still very much around; lookit Sotomayor. Did she really have the qualifications for that post, or was the true qualification was PC?
With a community organizer in the WH, I think we all know the answer.
I also wish my parents would occasionally turn off the FOX News and Michael Savage.
I can’t stand Michael Savage…..and if the leftists act like their fellow National Socialists then they will be labled as such. Too friggen bad. My advice to people criticizing Palin for her honest assessment of the truth of the rationed health care bs, is this: Be in her shoes, with Trig and read the Bill and tell me as a Mom or a Dad the words who wrote this. Goebbels and evil doers doesn’t come across your mind. I’d say it. I do say it. I have a Downs’ Syndrome Sis in Law and by God no brown suited wearing bureaucrat in DC is going to tell us she can’t be considered for medical help. Jonah Goldberg’s book Liberal Fascism is a book a few people here should read. And then of course ignoring hit them back twice as hard? And we have Union thugs attacking black conservatives, old people and choking women? And we are not allowed to call that Nazi tactics? What is it then? Reasoned debate?
Savage used to be on a station out here (KRLA Glendale – home of Prager and Medved) but he lasted a year, replaced by (the much better) Dennis Miller.
He got old really fast. And he’s crazy. He was talking one time about his clock collection, and I kept waiting for the sound of the nurse with his evening meds. I think I wasn’t the only one because he was off the air shortly thereafter.
From Universal Healthcare: A Wolf in Lamb’s Clothing:
If memory serves me, similar practices also occur in Denmark and Sweden.
Unless someone is rounding up Jews, I think Nazi should be banned as an insult.
I’m more amused and interested in how the heck this mess is gonna be fixed than worried. I go through times when I’m worried, but I usually get distracted by the 8 children I need to care for daily. I have family members doing everything from buying up bulk products and weapons and to rejoicing that the US is FINALLY doing the right thing if the right would just hush. I figure the best thing I can do is stay calm and rational, call and vote, and keep on raising my kids right.
Tracy the Nazi’s didn’t round up Jews until they had full control and were in power for a few years. The first concentration camps, Dachau and Sachsenhausen were used for political opponents like communists, and other political voices who opposed them. They weren’t death camps. Auschwitz, Sobibor etc. didn’t come on the scene until after the Germans stormed Poland. And then gassings and crematoria didn’t really come into vogue until after the Wansee Conference in January 1942. Until then in Russia the SS was following the German army and committing mass shootings of Jews. Babi Yar was one of the most notorious Nazi crimes ever. And no truely mass executions happened until the eastern invasions. The Nazis had been busy executing their own like Ernst Rohm and his brownshirt leadership. Hitler was smart enough to know that he needed the military on his side which is the reason behind Rohm’s demise. But also during the night of the long knives many other political opponents were killed…..
I understand that, I still don’t think calling anyone Nazi will help.
Amen, Tracy!
Perhaps we should hold a funeral for this “N” word.
Just thought of something the other day, when I heard some Dem saying Nazis were actually showing up at town hall meetings – swastikas, and all. You sure the Nazis weren’t there to SUPPORT nationalized health care? I mean, they are “National Socialists,” after all.
No I’m not calling the other side Nazis, although the “hit them back twice as hard” SEIU tactics do give one pause.
I think in a larger sense, this is tied to the problem of punditry in general. At some point, it becomes a ‘me too’ thing, where doofuses from “Watchdog groups” are trying to make a name for themselves by decrying everything up to and including the new GI Joe movie for “Not being American enough.” No matter how they spin this, it always reminds me of the Canadian Brodcast Rules stating that SCTV – a show made in canada by canadians for export – was somehow not ‘canadian enough.’ One of the GI-Joe bashing pundits was completely unaware of the 80s Joe revival, and was upset that the movie wasn’t based on the 12-inch dolls he remembered from the vietnam war.
It’s stupid. It’s obvious the motivation for this kind of thing isn’t to address real ills, or try to change things, it’s just to stir up a bit of pointless moral outrage so an individual pundit can make a name for himself as the up-and-coming defender of decency and niceness. It accomplishes nothing – who gives a damn if Tinky Winky is gay, after all? – and it just makes us conservatives look like big idiots who go around tilting at windmills for no reason time after time after time.
And ultimately it’s seeming increasingly self-serving and disingenuous to me, since, in the end, it’s just people wanting to make names for themselves at the expence of the movement and people who are easily provoked to anger.
As a movement, we need to be better than this.
This is one of the best posts I’ve read on this blog in a long time. Great job, JohnFN!
“And who’s to blame? Barack Obama. Granted, I don’t want him passing health care reform, or reforms of any kind. I don’t like his ideas. But his lack of leadership is driving a wedge through this country. The great uniter clearly sees this as us vs. them, it’s apparent in every statement he utters from his teleprompter.”
Right on John. He needs to show some kind of leadership and quickly. The kids in Congress have mom & dad’s credit cards and are busy buying booze and hookers with it. The country is going down the toilet while he’s taking the wife to NY for date nights and having “non-racist” beer parties, and galavanting around the world wastfully blowing our hard earned money on apology tours, wasting 100s of thousands of our hardearned dollars on jetfuel. And is it only in my mind, or is he and the rest of the left the only ones to have brought up the subject of race in this whole mess?