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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61325</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis,Veruckt.As you point out,it was our Democrat governor,Phil Bredesen(who made his fortune in the health care industry)who put the skids on Tenn Care after years of inaction by our Republican guv,Don Sundquist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis,Veruckt.As you point out,it was our Democrat governor,Phil Bredesen(who made his fortune in the health care industry)who put the skids on Tenn Care after years of inaction by our Republican guv,Don Sundquist.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61306</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it fascinating that Lieberman has disappeared, If he just turns into a ghost Reid is screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it fascinating that Lieberman has disappeared, If he just turns into a ghost Reid is screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61305</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t figure out why no news sources have said anything. If he doesn&#039;t show up its done. Reid needs him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t figure out why no news sources have said anything. If he doesn&#8217;t show up its done. Reid needs him.</p>
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		<title>By: David Marcoe</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61304</link>
		<dc:creator>David Marcoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except Reid needs 60 to break a fillibuster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except Reid needs 60 to break a fillibuster</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61303</link>
		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liebermann could be abstaining. They made him a deal and he is staying out. Not voting for or against.

Not be the first time something like this has happened in Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liebermann could be abstaining. They made him a deal and he is staying out. Not voting for or against.</p>
<p>Not be the first time something like this has happened in Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61301</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not one word has been spoken of Lieberman being gone........It wouldn&#039;t surprise that Webb would break. He doesn&#039;t like being told what to do by anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not one word has been spoken of Lieberman being gone&#8230;&#8230;..It wouldn&#8217;t surprise that Webb would break. He doesn&#8217;t like being told what to do by anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Veruckt</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61300</link>
		<dc:creator>Veruckt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TN Care was our states effort to &quot;reform&quot; medicaid and provide coverage to all Tennesseans by allowing them to buy a state policy. It focused on expanding coverage to children not unlike the Federal SCHIP program. The initial estimates were it would cover Tennessee&#039;s 500,000 uninsured, within 2 years it was covering 1.4 million at nearly 10 times the original estimated cost and now occupies more than 25% of our state&#039;s annual budget and has led to an endless battle in the house to give us a state income tax (on top of the nation&#039;s third largest sale&#039;s tax). It ended up with such a large number of enrollees because people discovered they could get TennCare cheaper than employer coverage. 

Like all entitlements in spite of a massive failing it is near impossible to get rid of. Our Democratic Governor sent letters to Obama using it as an example of what would happen.

The effect that doesn&#039;t make the papers is that it pays physicians less than even Medicare does so most private physicians will not accept it. Those who accepted it could not afford to keep their doors open and either consolidated with another practice or simply went to work for a hospital. Those who wouldn&#039;t accept TennCare left areas with high numbers of enrollees (poorer areas) leaving impoverished areas with even less access to medical services then they had before and causing our ERs to become congested in metro Nashville. As such if you ever come to TN you will notice most of your wealthier areas are loaded with doctors and your metro areas have only hospitals. TennCare altered the market dynamic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TN Care was our states effort to &#8220;reform&#8221; medicaid and provide coverage to all Tennesseans by allowing them to buy a state policy. It focused on expanding coverage to children not unlike the Federal SCHIP program. The initial estimates were it would cover Tennessee&#8217;s 500,000 uninsured, within 2 years it was covering 1.4 million at nearly 10 times the original estimated cost and now occupies more than 25% of our state&#8217;s annual budget and has led to an endless battle in the house to give us a state income tax (on top of the nation&#8217;s third largest sale&#8217;s tax). It ended up with such a large number of enrollees because people discovered they could get TennCare cheaper than employer coverage. </p>
<p>Like all entitlements in spite of a massive failing it is near impossible to get rid of. Our Democratic Governor sent letters to Obama using it as an example of what would happen.</p>
<p>The effect that doesn&#8217;t make the papers is that it pays physicians less than even Medicare does so most private physicians will not accept it. Those who accepted it could not afford to keep their doors open and either consolidated with another practice or simply went to work for a hospital. Those who wouldn&#8217;t accept TennCare left areas with high numbers of enrollees (poorer areas) leaving impoverished areas with even less access to medical services then they had before and causing our ERs to become congested in metro Nashville. As such if you ever come to TN you will notice most of your wealthier areas are loaded with doctors and your metro areas have only hospitals. TennCare altered the market dynamic.</p>
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		<title>By: David Marcoe</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61299</link>
		<dc:creator>David Marcoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats use three tactics to keep entitlements entrenched:

1. Necessity - &quot;The poor NEED this program...&quot;
2. Dependency - &quot;If they cut this program, women and children will starve...&quot;
3. Urgency - &quot;We need this NOW or women and children will be in the streets starving by next week...&quot;

&quot;1&quot; and &quot;3&quot; are not being expressed by the public. Here are various poll numbers with in the last six months: 85% are satisfied with their current health insurance. 76% favor the free market (up from 53% in &#039;08) 61% don&#039;t want a new healthcare system. 49% want to opt out of Medicare. And we&#039;ve all seen the numbers of how a clear majority oppose this legislation, with even its supporters souring on it. Moreover, this doesn&#039;t kick in till 2014, but the taxes hit sooner. 

Here&#039;s what should be said on the campaign trail, &quot;This plan is going to wreck healthcare and the Democrats did it to you. We need to stop it before it kicks in.&quot; And again, I reference my own tax credit scheme for getting people off of Medicare and Medicaid. Typical tactics don&#039;t work against it, because it has a credible answer to every challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats use three tactics to keep entitlements entrenched:</p>
<p>1. Necessity &#8211; &#8220;The poor NEED this program&#8230;&#8221;<br />
2. Dependency &#8211; &#8220;If they cut this program, women and children will starve&#8230;&#8221;<br />
3. Urgency &#8211; &#8220;We need this NOW or women and children will be in the streets starving by next week&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;1&#8243; and &#8220;3&#8243; are not being expressed by the public. Here are various poll numbers with in the last six months: 85% are satisfied with their current health insurance. 76% favor the free market (up from 53% in &#8216;08) 61% don&#8217;t want a new healthcare system. 49% want to opt out of Medicare. And we&#8217;ve all seen the numbers of how a clear majority oppose this legislation, with even its supporters souring on it. Moreover, this doesn&#8217;t kick in till 2014, but the taxes hit sooner. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what should be said on the campaign trail, &#8220;This plan is going to wreck healthcare and the Democrats did it to you. We need to stop it before it kicks in.&#8221; And again, I reference my own tax credit scheme for getting people off of Medicare and Medicaid. Typical tactics don&#8217;t work against it, because it has a credible answer to every challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Christenson</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61297</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenn Christenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep praying for the &quot;fog&quot; to clear so we can beat back &quot;the buldge.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep praying for the &#8220;fog&#8221; to clear so we can beat back &#8220;the buldge.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Marcoe</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17400/comment-page-1#comment-61295</link>
		<dc:creator>David Marcoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen. Saxby Chambliss also just said the bill sets up a constitutional challenge with the abortion funding. Our situation is dire, but everyone on our side is fighting with everything they&#039;ve got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen. Saxby Chambliss also just said the bill sets up a constitutional challenge with the abortion funding. Our situation is dire, but everyone on our side is fighting with everything they&#8217;ve got.</p>
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