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	<title>Comments on: The Leader of the Band</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61353</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you say so.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61351</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead acting like it&#039;s a done deal let&#039;s see what happens. Don&#039;t sell
Webb short here. And David let us know if Lieberman is found. We ain&#039;t done
yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead acting like it&#8217;s a done deal let&#8217;s see what happens. Don&#8217;t sell<br />
Webb short here. And David let us know if Lieberman is found. We ain&#8217;t done<br />
yet.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnFN</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61347</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnFN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats were playing chicken with the public on this one and weren&#039;t going to swerve. If it wasn&#039;t buying off Nelson, it would have been budget reconciliation, which would have set an even worse precedent. The Senate was a huge obstacle, but there&#039;s still conference committee, where this crap sandwich will inevitably get larger with pork given the Nelson payoff - more blue dogs will want more graft. Lets see them swallow it. 

For all the rhetoric of how the Republicans were becoming a geographically exiled party, the Democrats essentially told every rep. not on the coasts or Boulder they are nothing but cannon fodder in their chess game of government and societal re-invention. I want to see a liberal, with a straight face, tell a conservative they are shoving their morals down their throat after this one. The public is against this deal 2-to-1 and they are passing it anyway. This is the largest bill ever passed along party lines.

I have a hard time believing the individual mandate gets through the Supreme Court, not with the Court in its current form. That probably isn&#039;t enough to tank the whole deal, but we&#039;ll see. If they can get 60, we can. In the words of a recent book, &quot;If you beat them bad enough, they can&#039;t cheat.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats were playing chicken with the public on this one and weren&#8217;t going to swerve. If it wasn&#8217;t buying off Nelson, it would have been budget reconciliation, which would have set an even worse precedent. The Senate was a huge obstacle, but there&#8217;s still conference committee, where this crap sandwich will inevitably get larger with pork given the Nelson payoff &#8211; more blue dogs will want more graft. Lets see them swallow it. </p>
<p>For all the rhetoric of how the Republicans were becoming a geographically exiled party, the Democrats essentially told every rep. not on the coasts or Boulder they are nothing but cannon fodder in their chess game of government and societal re-invention. I want to see a liberal, with a straight face, tell a conservative they are shoving their morals down their throat after this one. The public is against this deal 2-to-1 and they are passing it anyway. This is the largest bill ever passed along party lines.</p>
<p>I have a hard time believing the individual mandate gets through the Supreme Court, not with the Court in its current form. That probably isn&#8217;t enough to tank the whole deal, but we&#8217;ll see. If they can get 60, we can. In the words of a recent book, &#8220;If you beat them bad enough, they can&#8217;t cheat.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn Christenson</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61348</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenn Christenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing to remember is that the sheer weight of the massive deficit spending and, now, this porcine &quot;reform&quot; are - in the familiar critique of the enviros - UNSUSTAINABLE! Unless the left, somehow, becomes &quot;financially responsible&quot; (pigs taking flight, being far more likely) we are likely to see a double dipping in the economy that will make the &quot;Great Depression&quot; seem like the good ol&#039; days.

Don&#039;t think the public&#039;s going to be buying the &quot;it&#039;s all Bush&#039;s fault&quot; line, when all this hits the fan, either.  Unfortunately, it will be only when we&#039;ve gone OVER the precipice that the &quot;center left&quot; shift will come to an end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing to remember is that the sheer weight of the massive deficit spending and, now, this porcine &#8220;reform&#8221; are &#8211; in the familiar critique of the enviros &#8211; UNSUSTAINABLE! Unless the left, somehow, becomes &#8220;financially responsible&#8221; (pigs taking flight, being far more likely) we are likely to see a double dipping in the economy that will make the &#8220;Great Depression&#8221; seem like the good ol&#8217; days.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think the public&#8217;s going to be buying the &#8220;it&#8217;s all Bush&#8217;s fault&#8221; line, when all this hits the fan, either.  Unfortunately, it will be only when we&#8217;ve gone OVER the precipice that the &#8220;center left&#8221; shift will come to an end.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61342</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah you are. You&#039;d make JP2 suicidal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah you are. You&#8217;d make JP2 suicidal.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61341</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan you keep telling us it&#039;s not. You&#039;d be wrong but write a novellength
reply. Sigh.......pessimist are as bad for us as the left is. You just keep it up
thoughand suck the wind out of everyones sails Chicken Little. 
At least David is workng to stop it. What are you doing? Either help us 
or sit back let those of us get the job done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan you keep telling us it&#8217;s not. You&#8217;d be wrong but write a novellength<br />
reply. Sigh&#8230;&#8230;.pessimist are as bad for us as the left is. You just keep it up<br />
thoughand suck the wind out of everyones sails Chicken Little.<br />
At least David is workng to stop it. What are you doing? Either help us<br />
or sit back let those of us get the job done.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61334</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About forcing to people to buy insurance. &lt;a href=&quot;http://personalinsure.about.com/cs/vehicleratings/a/blautominimum.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Every state in the nation&lt;/a&gt; forces drivers, under penalty of law, to buy automobile insurance. Of course the rationale is different. That is meant to protect others. But since the gov&#039;t has long since established that &quot;the People&quot; not capable of taking care of themselves (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., ad nauseum), &quot;the People&quot; must now be forced to protect themselves. It&#039;s for their own good, dontcha you know?

Now if you want to argue that feds can&#039;t do what the states are doing already ... Hmmm ... well, best of luck in finding a judicial panel that will reinforce your arguments with case law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About forcing to people to buy insurance. <a href="http://personalinsure.about.com/cs/vehicleratings/a/blautominimum.htm" rel="nofollow">Every state in the nation</a> forces drivers, under penalty of law, to buy automobile insurance. Of course the rationale is different. That is meant to protect others. But since the gov&#8217;t has long since established that &#8220;the People&#8221; not capable of taking care of themselves (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., ad nauseum), &#8220;the People&#8221; must now be forced to protect themselves. It&#8217;s for their own good, dontcha you know?</p>
<p>Now if you want to argue that feds can&#8217;t do what the states are doing already &#8230; Hmmm &#8230; well, best of luck in finding a judicial panel that will reinforce your arguments with case law.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61332</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You keep telling yourself its a center-right country. No doubt, what remains of the conservatives in England tell themselves the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep telling yourself its a center-right country. No doubt, what remains of the conservatives in England tell themselves the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61331</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephanie, No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie, No.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/17628/comment-page-1#comment-61329</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan you are an pptmstic guy. You&#039;d make a saint want to kill
themselves. Stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan you are an pptmstic guy. You&#8217;d make a saint want to kill<br />
themselves. Stop it.</p>
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