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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that&#039;s a response I&#039;m looking for.  I had an uncle-in-law who went Y2K crazy and now we just smirk at him.  I&#039;m not like that, but since this stuff is hardly covered by the media unlike Y2K and I&#039;m no expert on monetary policy, etc.  I am skeptical of the doomsday scenario, but I loathe this Admin. and the two prior for even putting this line of thinking on the table.

You should blog or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#8217;s a response I&#8217;m looking for.  I had an uncle-in-law who went Y2K crazy and now we just smirk at him.  I&#8217;m not like that, but since this stuff is hardly covered by the media unlike Y2K and I&#8217;m no expert on monetary policy, etc.  I am skeptical of the doomsday scenario, but I loathe this Admin. and the two prior for even putting this line of thinking on the table.</p>
<p>You should blog or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Rufus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other bit of advice; watch the rats.  They have a knack for scurrying onto the lifeboats before the ship goes down.  The super-wealthy can move their dollars to other currencies, and will if they think the end is near.  One thing for sure, the super-wealthy won&#039;t be left holding the bag if the Fed sinks the ship.  Also, watch the big foreign investors that own a lot of U.S. real estate, and foreign-owned businesses with a lot of capital in the U.S.  If you see them ditching their U.S. capital in favor of foreign alternatives the hull has been breached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other bit of advice; watch the rats.  They have a knack for scurrying onto the lifeboats before the ship goes down.  The super-wealthy can move their dollars to other currencies, and will if they think the end is near.  One thing for sure, the super-wealthy won&#8217;t be left holding the bag if the Fed sinks the ship.  Also, watch the big foreign investors that own a lot of U.S. real estate, and foreign-owned businesses with a lot of capital in the U.S.  If you see them ditching their U.S. capital in favor of foreign alternatives the hull has been breached.</p>
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		<title>By: Rufus</title>
		<link>http://www.threedonia.com/archives/18130/comment-page-1#comment-62881</link>
		<dc:creator>Rufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll weigh in with a firm and resounding, perhaps.

I agree with most of what David wrote, which, when you break it down is rather wishy-washy.  I can find a guy writing stuff like Williams from every year of the last 40 years, and so far they&#039;ve been wrong for 39 of those years.  Is it possible for the U.S. dollar to collapse?  Yes.  Certainily.  Did Beck call this?  Kinda-sorta, but he has called a lot of worse things that haven&#039;t come to pass.  Beck tends to always go with the Church of the Latter Day Saints complete collapse/rice and beans outlook on the future, so, when things go south he&#039;s a genius, when they don&#039;t he doesn&#039;t dwell on his prior predictions.  I like Beck, but I ignore the emotion and count the hits and misses.  He&#039;s batting about .500.

The hard thing about looking at apocalyptic scenarios regarding the U.S. is the influence we have on the rest of the world.  If we were another country, say Belgium, doing what we&#039;re doing an economic apocalypse would almost certainly be unavoidable.  But we&#039;re not Belgium.  When we lose everyone else loses too.  So other countries are likely to do a lot to keep us gonig.

I am very grim about the outlook.  We are way beyond any sense of proportion with our fiscal policies.  The one, great hope I hold out is growth.  I have almost no confidence the current administration will figure this out, but I do hold out hope a new administration can.  A huge, private sector boom can fill the government coffers quickly, and make that debt to GDP ratio much, much more reasonable.  But beyond that I don&#039;t see a painless way out of this.  I sincerely hope I&#039;m missing something.  Barring that I sincerely hope we can get a pro-America/pro-private industry administration soon.

One other note.  Assume you think Williams has it right.  What do you do?  If the dollar collapses we&#039;re all hosed equally.  What assets can you obtain that are not tied to the dollar, and in what quantities can you obtain them?  If you believe this stuff (and I&#039;m not saying it can&#039;t happen) then your best alternative is to cash in now and move to a country where you don&#039;t think this will happen.  If you&#039;re not willing to do that, then you either don&#039;t believe it, or you&#039;re not accurately examining the situation.

We mock Al Gore for claiming carbon is destroying the planet while he maintains a huge carbon footprint.  How different is it to claim the Dem&#039;s policies are driving us to economic armageddon then continue to work a job that pays in U.S. currency, and continue to pay a mortgage on real estate denominated in U.S. currency?  Again, I&#039;m weighing in with a resounding &quot;perhaps.&quot;  Williams could be right.  I don&#039;t have a strong argument against him, but if you believe he&#039;s right then the best place to be for the next decades is somewhere other than here.  Either put up, or put your head down and keep plugging away.  Playing chicken little and running around like a freightened schoolgirl isn&#039;t going to help you in either scenario.

Happy New Year, indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll weigh in with a firm and resounding, perhaps.</p>
<p>I agree with most of what David wrote, which, when you break it down is rather wishy-washy.  I can find a guy writing stuff like Williams from every year of the last 40 years, and so far they&#8217;ve been wrong for 39 of those years.  Is it possible for the U.S. dollar to collapse?  Yes.  Certainily.  Did Beck call this?  Kinda-sorta, but he has called a lot of worse things that haven&#8217;t come to pass.  Beck tends to always go with the Church of the Latter Day Saints complete collapse/rice and beans outlook on the future, so, when things go south he&#8217;s a genius, when they don&#8217;t he doesn&#8217;t dwell on his prior predictions.  I like Beck, but I ignore the emotion and count the hits and misses.  He&#8217;s batting about .500.</p>
<p>The hard thing about looking at apocalyptic scenarios regarding the U.S. is the influence we have on the rest of the world.  If we were another country, say Belgium, doing what we&#8217;re doing an economic apocalypse would almost certainly be unavoidable.  But we&#8217;re not Belgium.  When we lose everyone else loses too.  So other countries are likely to do a lot to keep us gonig.</p>
<p>I am very grim about the outlook.  We are way beyond any sense of proportion with our fiscal policies.  The one, great hope I hold out is growth.  I have almost no confidence the current administration will figure this out, but I do hold out hope a new administration can.  A huge, private sector boom can fill the government coffers quickly, and make that debt to GDP ratio much, much more reasonable.  But beyond that I don&#8217;t see a painless way out of this.  I sincerely hope I&#8217;m missing something.  Barring that I sincerely hope we can get a pro-America/pro-private industry administration soon.</p>
<p>One other note.  Assume you think Williams has it right.  What do you do?  If the dollar collapses we&#8217;re all hosed equally.  What assets can you obtain that are not tied to the dollar, and in what quantities can you obtain them?  If you believe this stuff (and I&#8217;m not saying it can&#8217;t happen) then your best alternative is to cash in now and move to a country where you don&#8217;t think this will happen.  If you&#8217;re not willing to do that, then you either don&#8217;t believe it, or you&#8217;re not accurately examining the situation.</p>
<p>We mock Al Gore for claiming carbon is destroying the planet while he maintains a huge carbon footprint.  How different is it to claim the Dem&#8217;s policies are driving us to economic armageddon then continue to work a job that pays in U.S. currency, and continue to pay a mortgage on real estate denominated in U.S. currency?  Again, I&#8217;m weighing in with a resounding &#8220;perhaps.&#8221;  Williams could be right.  I don&#8217;t have a strong argument against him, but if you believe he&#8217;s right then the best place to be for the next decades is somewhere other than here.  Either put up, or put your head down and keep plugging away.  Playing chicken little and running around like a freightened schoolgirl isn&#8217;t going to help you in either scenario.</p>
<p>Happy New Year, indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chin up, Jake!  Despair&#039;s for suckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chin up, Jake!  Despair&#8217;s for suckers.</p>
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		<title>By: G-MAN</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-reliance.  For me, it&#039;s always been the key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-reliance.  For me, it&#8217;s always been the key.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Was Here</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might as well just kill myself and save some time and money.</description>
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		<title>By: G-MAN</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty grim, alright.  A basic problem was always spending more than you earned.  Something they all should have learned in the second grade.  It caused the implosion in the housing market, people&#039;s personal finances, and in big government. And now in Obamaland, where there is virtually no limit in spending, the faster they spend, the faster a possible or probable collapse.

Since the 1980&#039;s, I&#039;ve had concerns if I&#039;d ever be able to draw from my retirement account.  The last couple years I had serious doubts.  The account dropped like a rock and to date, has slowly worked it&#039;s way back to recover about half of the losses.  February 18, 2013 is my magic number.  It&#039;s articles like this that still make me wonder if I&#039;ll ever see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty grim, alright.  A basic problem was always spending more than you earned.  Something they all should have learned in the second grade.  It caused the implosion in the housing market, people&#8217;s personal finances, and in big government. And now in Obamaland, where there is virtually no limit in spending, the faster they spend, the faster a possible or probable collapse.</p>
<p>Since the 1980&#8242;s, I&#8217;ve had concerns if I&#8217;d ever be able to draw from my retirement account.  The last couple years I had serious doubts.  The account dropped like a rock and to date, has slowly worked it&#8217;s way back to recover about half of the losses.  February 18, 2013 is my magic number.  It&#8217;s articles like this that still make me wonder if I&#8217;ll ever see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Veruckt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said David. They are certainly trying to mimic FDR&#039;s policies though. On FDR I&#039;ve never truly felt they were his policies, I think FDR caved to public anger and the political realities created by the likes of populist such as Huey Long. If it weren&#039;t for WW2 we would have only fallen into a ever deeper depression. 

Unrelated David. Are you going to be calling in to RF3D today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said David. They are certainly trying to mimic FDR&#8217;s policies though. On FDR I&#8217;ve never truly felt they were his policies, I think FDR caved to public anger and the political realities created by the likes of populist such as Huey Long. If it weren&#8217;t for WW2 we would have only fallen into a ever deeper depression. </p>
<p>Unrelated David. Are you going to be calling in to RF3D today?</p>
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		<title>By: Veruckt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veruckt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a believer in gold as a hedge against economic trouble. Sure it&#039;s good when a currency is worth something but with no defacto currency to trade in it just becomes a shiny paperweight. Look at Nigeria which is in a hyperinflation scenario and the things that they are trading in are weapons and US dollars. When Russia went through a softer version of this in the early 90s it wasn&#039;t gold people were trading in it was bread and blue jeans. If something like this does in fact happen in the US (which is essentially unavoidable without drastic painful changes) it will be commodities that will be the new currency; food, clothing, weapons, and heating oil or fire wood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a believer in gold as a hedge against economic trouble. Sure it&#8217;s good when a currency is worth something but with no defacto currency to trade in it just becomes a shiny paperweight. Look at Nigeria which is in a hyperinflation scenario and the things that they are trading in are weapons and US dollars. When Russia went through a softer version of this in the early 90s it wasn&#8217;t gold people were trading in it was bread and blue jeans. If something like this does in fact happen in the US (which is essentially unavoidable without drastic painful changes) it will be commodities that will be the new currency; food, clothing, weapons, and heating oil or fire wood.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should be grateful to BO,David...he has awakened a great many people from a long slumber</description>
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