Nice! They bought out two Californian Democrats by agreeing to turn the water back on to a large farming community. No I’m not kidding they were using water to threaten them.
Good catch on the water-boarding, V.
Obama-logic: The dems lost because they didn’t pass socialized health care. He thinks by getting it rammed through now, he can keep the dems in power. Basing logic on false premises is a natural outcome of someone who has no life experience. Brought to you by 62 million gullible Americans.
I called Cordoza’s office two days ago and the tool said that his boss was undecided. Now a lawyer friend of mine says that bribe breaks all kinds of environmental laws. We shall see if tehse two assholes get what they want.
FOX says they are one shy but a friend of mine is doing a whip count by looking at all the numbers coming in and all we need is six and the ya’s are still about 16 behind…dunno.
Just do your duty, call, email, or dammit go to DC and stand with Jon Voight and the rest of the patriots. We can defeat this pile of garbage.
Not to mention, the US Senate will have it bogged down in rules and procedural garp..however, lets kill this bitch on Sunday.
Mrs. Firefly and I are seriously considering going to DC but I’ve heard conflicting reports about what day folks are trying to convene. Do you know anything specific?
Boccieri’s “speech” was pathetic… good job Ohio. He was embarrassing. He was in the USAF for 14 years. Can we finally get past the canard that just because someone served in the military they should be elected to Congress?
This has always annoyed me. Just because someone served in the military does not mean they are qualified, it also doesn’t mean they aren’t a douchebag willing to sell out their country.
I’m getting conflicting reports on the vote count. The news is saying 6 votes shy but my friend who knows things (and hasn’t been wrong yet) is saying 2 votes shy with 1 about to tip to a yes. He is anticipating going into the weekend with dems only needing one vote.
Boccieri…*groan*. He doesn’t represent my district but I have informed his office that I will work against him in his next campaign. My local paper ran an AP story which said he had been pressured by labor unions.
My representative is the great Jim Jordan who is a steady conservative. At least my rep is one of the good guys. I can’t say as much for the local ‘hero’ Sherrod Brown.
Here’s hoping every Dem, who votes for this thing, gets the same treatment Ben Nelson got when he went home to Nebraska. Try to go out and eat a meal, in peace, NOW!
I have officially changed my stance on this bill. I hope it passes. Why, you ask? Joe Biden’s magic words:
“Some of them I say, they say, well, Joe, look, man, I mean, you know, you guys haven’t massaged this very well. And, you know, this thing has gone on so long, I don’t know. And my response is, hey, man, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I’m telling you, you know, pre-existing, they’re going to be covered. You know we’re going to control the insurance companies. You know people aren’t going to lose their health care with their employer like is being advertised. So you’ve got to if you really want to make sure that you get the benefit of what you’ve already done, vote for the bill.”
“So you’ve got to if you really want to make sure that you get the benefit of what you’ve already done, vote for the bill.”
Pre-verbal infants are more articulate.
That Biden, once again, shows himself to be an blithering idiot doesn’t surprise me. This is the guy who shares his mourns the passing of people who are still alive and asks guys in wheelchairs to stand up and take a bow.
What drives me batty is the moronic public that’s given him the power to destroy this country. First, by electing him over and over again to the Senate and then by putting this buffoon one heartbeat away from the White House.
Call me a cynic, but I think the Republicans want this bill to pass. It will be the major argument to flip Congress in November. The next few months will be a play by play of everything wrong with the healthcare legislation. Obama will only be a one-term president after this, let’s hope. The only chance we have at this point is repealing it if the GOP can control large margins in Congress and a Republican takes the White House. I the GOP strategy has been to give the Dems enough rope to hang themselves.
“… the GOP strategy has been to give the Dems enough rope to hang themselves.”
I hope not, because in the act of hanging themselves they’ll be taking our economy with them. Besides, if they can keep Obamacare from passing, that victory would help them win in 2010 just as much as letting it pass would.
Karen, I think this thing will never make it past SCOTUS. There will be so many challenges to it’s unconstitutionality that it may never see the light of day.
Ok, what happens if this doesn’t pass in the House? Health care ‘reform’ is not going away. They won’t stop until Obama signs something so he can check it off his list.
I called my Congress Critter, Chellie Pingree. She a leftist of Obama magnitude, and a lesbian. But I called her office to at last voive my contempt and disappointment at her support of the Slaughter rule, and he apparent willingness to vote yes on this abortion of a bill.
Her assistant was very pleasant, and I was on my best manners. However, I was interupted by the assistant who said was more than happy to take my message and forward it to Pingree, but that her mind was made up and she really wasn’t interested in any arguments against the bill. I fully suspect that my comments were round-filed as soon as she hung up.
If the Aristocracy in Washington were TRYING to start a civil war, they couldn’t have a better plan than the one they are using right now.
Keith Hennesey, Bush’s former Economic Council, says they will have to vote on the bill twice. He counted at least three strong Byrd rule violations (matters extraneous to reconciliation), as well as a few more that are questionable (he’s not giving details since he doesn’t want to help the Democrats clean up the bill). The heat isn’t over on this thing. It’s going to be buried in Amendments.
The more I read on the bill, the less dour I am about repealing it. It seriously hurts Medicare patients while places like Wal-Greens and various private practitioners are beginning to refuse new customers from the program. Catepillar came out today and said the bill alone would cost them $100 million in the first year – those fat corporate donations the Democrats received in the last election cycle are long gone. They’ll give that cash to candidates who run on repealing this bill.
I know repealing anything is difficult, especially an entitlement, but there are a few factors that could benefit Republicans. 1.) Most of these changes don’t come into effect for years, way past the end of Obama’s first term, while the taxes hit the road immediately (this was done to fudge the deficit numbers). That’s a few years of nothing but bad news – no one can claim benefits, but it will be a big difference in the paycheck. Another, Congress passed Medicare Catastrophic insurance in the 80s, the outrage against it was so much they voted to repeal it two years later – essentially the same congress. My gut – we get in a Republican Congress and Senate, there may be enough Blue Dogs to take this thing out down the road.
That’s a tough way to play it, but it might be possible.
The whole thing is such a house of cards. I don’t see how they can enforce large portions of it? It probably wouldn’t even pass straight votes in the House and Senate… This is such a farce it would almost be funny, if they weren’t so serious about forcing this through.
Some states are already passing bills to authorize challenges to the individual mandate, which I can’t imagine passing muster, but I can’t see the entire thing being legal anyways, with respect to what little I know of the commerce clause. My guess, you’ll have state governments left and right passing bills to exclude themselves from the bill. I defer to Floyd and Veruckt there.
Farcical is one thing, desperate and farcical is another. This is not about health care, government or anything else, this is all about Obama – the public knows this and that’s why his approval is tanking.
The argument, or discussion, was protest do not work and my buddy Chris is saying he believes it’s at the point where he would support targetted acts of vandalism against reps offices, party headquarters, etc. No violence against people, no vandalism of personal property. He just believes, and I have trouble disagreeing, unless these people start to feel unsafe in their position than it’s only going to get worse.
Was just trying to find a way to throw the proverbial “wrench in the works.” Protesting by overloading or derailing “the system.” There has to be something, short of an act that could wind you in the pokey.
In another eighteen months, everything you can possibly do to protest against this will have had its illegality reinforced up the wazoo with new legislation.
It’s really difficult to throw in a wrench in the works of the government. Flooding ERs will not effect them. You can flash mob their offices and inconvenience them with several hundred visitors at a time but since they usually aren’t there that doesn’t bother them either. We’re sort of in an odd spot where we can do things that emotionally make us feel better but ultimately have no real impact on the politicians who we are trying to get to pay attention.
It’s funny I mentioned the Weathermen and ELF but Chris’ argument is was this not the exact same decision our forefathers had to make when they saw orderly processes were not working? Also the Constitution endorses revolution against an unjust government and casting it off.
Now, I’m not endorsing or encouraging this behavior or planning to participate in it. But what is it in us now that leaves us incapable of even considering it? Is there not a tipping point where we say no more? If there isn’t a tipping point where we reseize control than why would our government listen to us? There are no real tangible consequences to them for their actions. Losing an election means little when they can re-run or become high paid lobbyist, not to mention the nice little pension set up.
It’s an interesting discussion and one that can make people very uncomfortable very quickly.
You don’t have to do anything violent. There are plenty of other things you can do.
For example, use their email address to sign them up at every porn site you can find. Use it to sign them up for every online magazine and newsletter you can. Use your Congress Critter’s name when you do it, too. Even use their office mailing address. Sign up their staffers, too! let everyone get involved with the fun!
Make up handbills for a “Free Pizza and Beer Night!” and list the local Congress Critter’s office address. Better yet, list their home address.
List your Congress critter on Craig’s List with a “for sale to the highest bidder” caption.
All sorts of fun things to do if you put your thinking cap on!
To my mind, the tipping point comes if they vote this thing in and the President signs it into law.
At that point, we should look to our politicians who voted against it, along with the several state AG’s to see if they will contest it in court. If they do not, or the court tries to side-step the issue, then we will be forced to act each upon his conscience.
Just back from visiting a client (the company that invented the Thunderstix you see at sporting events, by the by), so’s I pop over to Big J to see if they posted any of my crap, and sure enough, they’ve got my health care rant up. Cool.
I’m not telling you that to blow my own horn any more than I usually do, but because the comments include this:
“The healthcare system has been ruined for years if not decades. The worst case scenario is things remain as they are. Any change, for better or for worse will only serve to help us make the system work for everyone.”
To sum up: The worst case scenario is that nothing changes. Ergo a change for the worse would be better, but no change is the worst. What the hell does that mean?!?!?!
Anybody here speak liberal? This sounds like the kind of logic that Kirk and Spock use to make robot heads explode.
I think the tipping point is already here. But you guys act like all is lost. Like Rush said…they still have to vote……Its gonna be very close and the GOP in the Senate can really mess it up as will the Parlimentarian. We have to fight as best we can and be ready for anything. But don’t lose hope yet…they haven’t passed anything yet.
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Travis Childers(D-Mississippi)…NAY!
Nice! They bought out two Californian Democrats by agreeing to turn the water back on to a large farming community. No I’m not kidding they were using water to threaten them.
Good catch on the water-boarding, V.
Obama-logic: The dems lost because they didn’t pass socialized health care. He thinks by getting it rammed through now, he can keep the dems in power. Basing logic on false premises is a natural outcome of someone who has no life experience. Brought to you by 62 million gullible Americans.
I called Cordoza’s office two days ago and the tool said that his boss was undecided. Now a lawyer friend of mine says that bribe breaks all kinds of environmental laws. We shall see if tehse two assholes get what they want.
FOX says they are one shy but a friend of mine is doing a whip count by looking at all the numbers coming in and all we need is six and the ya’s are still about 16 behind…dunno.
Just do your duty, call, email, or dammit go to DC and stand with Jon Voight and the rest of the patriots. We can defeat this pile of garbage.
Not to mention, the US Senate will have it bogged down in rules and procedural garp..however, lets kill this bitch on Sunday.
Stephanie,
Mrs. Firefly and I are seriously considering going to DC but I’ve heard conflicting reports about what day folks are trying to convene. Do you know anything specific?
Not sure if it helps Rufus but I’ve gotten about 10 emails from various groups today and they’re all saying Saturday.
There’s this from Tea Party Patriots: http://www.teapartypatriots.org/support.aspx
the nimby from Ohio is going to vote for the health care bill.
Boccieri
Boccieri’s “speech” was pathetic… good job Ohio. He was embarrassing. He was in the USAF for 14 years. Can we finally get past the canard that just because someone served in the military they should be elected to Congress?
This has always annoyed me. Just because someone served in the military does not mean they are qualified, it also doesn’t mean they aren’t a douchebag willing to sell out their country.
I’m getting conflicting reports on the vote count. The news is saying 6 votes shy but my friend who knows things (and hasn’t been wrong yet) is saying 2 votes shy with 1 about to tip to a yes. He is anticipating going into the weekend with dems only needing one vote.
Boccieri…*groan*. He doesn’t represent my district but I have informed his office that I will work against him in his next campaign. My local paper ran an AP story which said he had been pressured by labor unions.
My representative is the great Jim Jordan who is a steady conservative. At least my rep is one of the good guys. I can’t say as much for the local ‘hero’ Sherrod Brown.
Talked to Jordan many a time. It’s strange to see a U.S. Congressman with cauliflower ears.
Here’s hoping every Dem, who votes for this thing, gets the same treatment Ben Nelson got when he went home to Nebraska. Try to go out and eat a meal, in peace, NOW!
Case in point,Lindsey Graham…Power Line aptly calls him “the Arlen Spector of the South”
We need another Rubio to take down Spect–, I mean Graham.
A little aside – watching “Bridge on the River Kwai,” this morning. Don’t know why that film reminds me of Graham.
His name is Pat Toomey. And he is a dude.
Interesting poll from my little part of the country: http://www.mailtribune.com
It’s the little red box in the middle of the page.
I have officially changed my stance on this bill. I hope it passes. Why, you ask? Joe Biden’s magic words:
“Some of them I say, they say, well, Joe, look, man, I mean, you know, you guys haven’t massaged this very well. And, you know, this thing has gone on so long, I don’t know. And my response is, hey, man, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I’m telling you, you know, pre-existing, they’re going to be covered. You know we’re going to control the insurance companies. You know people aren’t going to lose their health care with their employer like is being advertised. So you’ve got to if you really want to make sure that you get the benefit of what you’ve already done, vote for the bill.”
(h/t DC Trawler)
Wow. Churchill would be green with envy. What a statesmen that Biden.
No president has been safer from assassination than Obama is right now.
“So you’ve got to if you really want to make sure that you get the benefit of what you’ve already done, vote for the bill.”
Pre-verbal infants are more articulate.
That Biden, once again, shows himself to be an blithering idiot doesn’t surprise me. This is the guy who shares his mourns the passing of people who are still alive and asks guys in wheelchairs to stand up and take a bow.
What drives me batty is the moronic public that’s given him the power to destroy this country. First, by electing him over and over again to the Senate and then by putting this buffoon one heartbeat away from the White House.
No “Cornhusker Kickback” so how about a half billion for a new VA hospital in your district Mr. Nelson. Yet another payoff:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/nebraska-scores-again-health-care-endgame/
Call me a cynic, but I think the Republicans want this bill to pass. It will be the major argument to flip Congress in November. The next few months will be a play by play of everything wrong with the healthcare legislation. Obama will only be a one-term president after this, let’s hope. The only chance we have at this point is repealing it if the GOP can control large margins in Congress and a Republican takes the White House. I the GOP strategy has been to give the Dems enough rope to hang themselves.
“… the GOP strategy has been to give the Dems enough rope to hang themselves.”
I hope not, because in the act of hanging themselves they’ll be taking our economy with them. Besides, if they can keep Obamacare from passing, that victory would help them win in 2010 just as much as letting it pass would.
If that is a factor, Karen, then they deserve the Stupid Party label.
Karen, I think this thing will never make it past SCOTUS. There will be so many challenges to it’s unconstitutionality that it may never see the light of day.
Ok, what happens if this doesn’t pass in the House? Health care ‘reform’ is not going away. They won’t stop until Obama signs something so he can check it off his list.
I called my Congress Critter, Chellie Pingree. She a leftist of Obama magnitude, and a lesbian. But I called her office to at last voive my contempt and disappointment at her support of the Slaughter rule, and he apparent willingness to vote yes on this abortion of a bill.
Her assistant was very pleasant, and I was on my best manners. However, I was interupted by the assistant who said was more than happy to take my message and forward it to Pingree, but that her mind was made up and she really wasn’t interested in any arguments against the bill. I fully suspect that my comments were round-filed as soon as she hung up.
If the Aristocracy in Washington were TRYING to start a civil war, they couldn’t have a better plan than the one they are using right now.
Keith Hennesey, Bush’s former Economic Council, says they will have to vote on the bill twice. He counted at least three strong Byrd rule violations (matters extraneous to reconciliation), as well as a few more that are questionable (he’s not giving details since he doesn’t want to help the Democrats clean up the bill). The heat isn’t over on this thing. It’s going to be buried in Amendments.
The more I read on the bill, the less dour I am about repealing it. It seriously hurts Medicare patients while places like Wal-Greens and various private practitioners are beginning to refuse new customers from the program. Catepillar came out today and said the bill alone would cost them $100 million in the first year – those fat corporate donations the Democrats received in the last election cycle are long gone. They’ll give that cash to candidates who run on repealing this bill.
I know repealing anything is difficult, especially an entitlement, but there are a few factors that could benefit Republicans. 1.) Most of these changes don’t come into effect for years, way past the end of Obama’s first term, while the taxes hit the road immediately (this was done to fudge the deficit numbers). That’s a few years of nothing but bad news – no one can claim benefits, but it will be a big difference in the paycheck. Another, Congress passed Medicare Catastrophic insurance in the 80s, the outrage against it was so much they voted to repeal it two years later – essentially the same congress. My gut – we get in a Republican Congress and Senate, there may be enough Blue Dogs to take this thing out down the road.
That’s a tough way to play it, but it might be possible.
The whole thing is such a house of cards. I don’t see how they can enforce large portions of it? It probably wouldn’t even pass straight votes in the House and Senate… This is such a farce it would almost be funny, if they weren’t so serious about forcing this through.
Some states are already passing bills to authorize challenges to the individual mandate, which I can’t imagine passing muster, but I can’t see the entire thing being legal anyways, with respect to what little I know of the commerce clause. My guess, you’ll have state governments left and right passing bills to exclude themselves from the bill. I defer to Floyd and Veruckt there.
Farcical is one thing, desperate and farcical is another. This is not about health care, government or anything else, this is all about Obama – the public knows this and that’s why his approval is tanking.
Very interesting conversation I just had with a few friends while on break and I now address it to you.
At what point do you think “civil disobedience” is acceptable? At what point do you think it is almost a responsibility?
How do we disobey this thing, if we’re not self-employed?
Or, better, yet, how do we “tea party” this thing? My recommendation – flood the emergency rooms!
The argument, or discussion, was protest do not work and my buddy Chris is saying he believes it’s at the point where he would support targetted acts of vandalism against reps offices, party headquarters, etc. No violence against people, no vandalism of personal property. He just believes, and I have trouble disagreeing, unless these people start to feel unsafe in their position than it’s only going to get worse.
Was just trying to find a way to throw the proverbial “wrench in the works.” Protesting by overloading or derailing “the system.” There has to be something, short of an act that could wind you in the pokey.
In another eighteen months, everything you can possibly do to protest against this will have had its illegality reinforced up the wazoo with new legislation.
It’s really difficult to throw in a wrench in the works of the government. Flooding ERs will not effect them. You can flash mob their offices and inconvenience them with several hundred visitors at a time but since they usually aren’t there that doesn’t bother them either. We’re sort of in an odd spot where we can do things that emotionally make us feel better but ultimately have no real impact on the politicians who we are trying to get to pay attention.
Isn’t that how the weathermen started? I’m not going to commit any vandalism but I will speak my mind and I will not kowtow to anyone.
It’s funny I mentioned the Weathermen and ELF but Chris’ argument is was this not the exact same decision our forefathers had to make when they saw orderly processes were not working? Also the Constitution endorses revolution against an unjust government and casting it off.
Now, I’m not endorsing or encouraging this behavior or planning to participate in it. But what is it in us now that leaves us incapable of even considering it? Is there not a tipping point where we say no more? If there isn’t a tipping point where we reseize control than why would our government listen to us? There are no real tangible consequences to them for their actions. Losing an election means little when they can re-run or become high paid lobbyist, not to mention the nice little pension set up.
It’s an interesting discussion and one that can make people very uncomfortable very quickly.
You don’t have to do anything violent. There are plenty of other things you can do.
For example, use their email address to sign them up at every porn site you can find. Use it to sign them up for every online magazine and newsletter you can. Use your Congress Critter’s name when you do it, too. Even use their office mailing address. Sign up their staffers, too! let everyone get involved with the fun!
Make up handbills for a “Free Pizza and Beer Night!” and list the local Congress Critter’s office address. Better yet, list their home address.
List your Congress critter on Craig’s List with a “for sale to the highest bidder” caption.
All sorts of fun things to do if you put your thinking cap on!
respects,
Tim,
We know there are all sorts of things that can be done but the discussion was where is the tipping point? Is there a tipping point?
To my mind, the tipping point comes if they vote this thing in and the President signs it into law.
At that point, we should look to our politicians who voted against it, along with the several state AG’s to see if they will contest it in court. If they do not, or the court tries to side-step the issue, then we will be forced to act each upon his conscience.
Just back from visiting a client (the company that invented the Thunderstix you see at sporting events, by the by), so’s I pop over to Big J to see if they posted any of my crap, and sure enough, they’ve got my health care rant up. Cool.
I’m not telling you that to blow my own horn any more than I usually do, but because the comments include this:
“The healthcare system has been ruined for years if not decades. The worst case scenario is things remain as they are. Any change, for better or for worse will only serve to help us make the system work for everyone.”
To sum up: The worst case scenario is that nothing changes. Ergo a change for the worse would be better, but no change is the worst. What the hell does that mean?!?!?!
Anybody here speak liberal? This sounds like the kind of logic that Kirk and Spock use to make robot heads explode.
I’m hitting the road now. Driving through the night so’s I can attend the rally tomorrow. Have a great weekend, Threedonia!
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” – Edward Abbey
Have fun storming the castle!
DUDE I WISH I COULD GO!
I think the tipping point is already here. But you guys act like all is lost. Like Rush said…they still have to vote……Its gonna be very close and the GOP in the Senate can really mess it up as will the Parlimentarian. We have to fight as best we can and be ready for anything. But don’t lose hope yet…they haven’t passed anything yet.
Have a safe trip Rufus. Great line, V.