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I’ve Had About Enough Of This…

Last year Wikileaks released the “Collateral Murder” video that featured gun camera film of an AH-64 firing on a group of individuals in Baghdad in 2007. Now this year a filmmaker has released a documentary about the incident featuring a now former Soldier that arrived on scene shortly after the incident.

My battalion was packing up to leave Iraq (its 4th deployment there) in the spring of 2010 when we saw all over the INTERNET news about a so called “collateral murder” video which had been released by a website known as Wikileaks. Stories described a horrific gun camera videotape from an AH-64 in Baghdad during the summer of 2007 where a pair of Reuters reporters were killed along with several other people. There were more than a few people still in the battalion that recognized that description. I remembered it, because while I was not there that day I was involved in the process of After Action Review (AAR) that we undertook after every engagement (we had over 300 engagements during the 15 months my BN was deployed that time). I had watched that tape, the entire tape, several times and when I was finally able to see on-line what was being called “collateral murder” I became more and more upset. Very few people made any attempt at all to try and understand the situation, they jumped to conclusions and based all their opinions on a very edited version of the gun camera film and pre-conceived notions about what war is like and how our Soldiers should act and what they should say and shouldn’t say.

Now a former Soldier who came upon the carnage after the fact is interviewed in this documentary telling stories about how things “actually were”. No offense to him or anyone else on the ground that day but a Specialist on a patrol is not the person I search out for what the story on the battlefield situation is or was. There is no way he would know other than talking to people later on what anyone outside his immediate area was doing.

So for anyone who might be interested in the sequence of events that lead up to Crazyhorse 18/19 responding to that Troops In Contact (TIC) and then ultimately engaging a group of individuals and then a van that arrived on scene I will attempt to lay it out for you.

At the time of the incident my BN had been in Iraq 10 months. For that entire time we had at least a team of 2 Apaches up in the air 24/7 weather permitting. Each day crews would report to the Tactical Operations Center, receive a brief about the current enemy and friendly situation, get assigned missions for their 4 hour mission window and then go out pre-flight and launch to support continuing operations in the Baghdad area. July 2007 was in the middle of “The Surge”. Intense military operations were on-going every single day all over Baghdad to try and detain, kill or capture those responsible for trying to undermine the legitimate government of Iraq as well as those responsible for on-going sectarian violence in the city. A typical mission would launch with a handful of Air Mission Requests (AMRs) which would be our assigned missions for that particular block of time. The reality though was that we almost never executed any of those missions. From the time we took off until the time we returned to base it was usually one TIC or Roadside MEDIVAC (Medical Evacuation) after another. TICs and MEDIVACS took precedence over anything else, so a day was usually responding from one call to another.

Crazyhorse 18/19 responded to a TIC call on the day in question and upon arriving got a situation update. The unit (the BN, not the particular patrol the SPC interviewed was in) had been receiving sporadic small arms fire all day, they had recently received fire from the direction where the helicopter eventually spotted a man peering around the corner of a building looking in the direction of US troops with what to the crew appeared to be a weapon in his hands. Additionally the ground unit reported that a black vehicle had been spotted earlier that day by UAV dropping off ammo and weapons to fighters in the area. With all that in mind the Apache team spotted the person looking around the corner of the building. He appeared to have what the crew thought to be an RPG (it was in fact a camera with a telephoto lens). The crew continued to circle around and when the got on the backside of that building they saw a group of people, several of them armed. They reported this to the ground unit and asked for permission to fire. Permission was given and the helicopters opened fire and took out the group of people gathered by the street corner oriented toward friendly forces a couple of blocks away. They then engaged a vehicle and personnel that arrived on the scene that according to one of the crew-members was collecting the wounded and picking up weapons.

There has been considerable discussion about the other people hanging around. Who were they? Were they innocent civilians? I can tell you from personal experience that in downtown Baghdad in July of 2007, if there was a gunfight going on and people were hanging around then they were part of it people didn’t just hang out where there was shooting going on. People did not just drive up to the site of a gunfight to render aid because they were good samaritans. If people were hanging around out in the open they were typically a part of it. But just that didn’t give us card blanche to just open fire. There were Rules of Engagement (ROE) and those rules WERE followed.

There has also been considerable discussion about the language used by the aircrew. I can tell you that we were on the crews constantly to watch what you say on the tape, talk to the tape about the ROE steps etc. because other people were going to watch it later. With all of that being said, can you imagine what you might say if you had been in Iraq for 10 months, flying missions every day, seeing Americans hurt or killed, responding to pitched battles, seeing your fellow Soldiers in danger and attempting to come to their defense. What would you say if you finally got some of them? Caught them red-handed. Took them out so they wouldn’t be hurting your fellow Soldiers anymore.

Now comes this “documentary”. An award winning documentary at the Tribeca Film Festival. How could you make a documentary about this event and never talk to the crews involved? Never talk to anyone at the unit involved? Only talk to a guy who happened upon a horrific scene of destruction and horrifying gore. How can you draw conclusions about anything other than the fact that war is horrible (and it is)?

I’m frankly disgusted that only one side of this keeps getting presented. The Army has made no attempt to explain the events or say anything other than that there was an official investigation (called a 15-6), in fact there were two that cleared the crew of wrong doing. I know that there is a small percentage of the population that will never admit that the engagement was justified and that we’re all products of our training that has turned us into crazy killing machines. But for the people that might listen, the people that could understand that they haven’t seen the whole thing they need to get the story out. It’s for those people you need to explain how a quiet street can instantly turn into hell on earth in less than a second. That there usually more than one side to a story…and they haven’t even begun to try and tell ours.

That’s what makes me sick and that’s why this so called documentary makes me even sicker.

H/T This Ain’t Hell for informing me about this film and rasing my blood pressure.

For a take down of the whole collateral murder video look at the Jawa Report on the engagement.

34 comments to I’ve Had About Enough Of This…

  • Mighty Skip

    The people who made this “documentary” and those who gave it award have very little regard for truth. The anti-American forces around the world are very invested in anything that can be used a propaganda weapon against the US and they have no intention of approaching this subject objectively.

    As far as the soldier goes, there are many many like him, retro-active conscientious objectors I guess. Not sure what the motivation is, anger against the military for various reasons (usually having little to do with the mission in question) is the common theme I’ve guessed at.

    • “The anti-American forces around the world” are bad enough, I am much angrier at the self-hating American members of the 4th estate right here!

  • Magnus Caseus Formatis

    Is there any way you can make your comments available to the non-3D public? You speak common sense to folks who will be captivated by the film.

  • Raoul Ortega

    Yesterday one of the Duck of Death’s sons became “collateral murder”. Will these same people make documentaries about this incident, and attack the Euro-NATO commanders who ordered his death by targeting that bunker?

    Yeah, I don’t expect it either.

    and they haven’t even begun to try and tell ours.

    Why would propagandists want to tell their enemy’s side? That’s not what they’re getting paid to do.

    • When I said “they haven’t even begun to try and tell ours” I was referring to the army, not a film maker or media type. It is a leaders job to take care of soldiers and they are failing. Rather, they hope it’s all just going to go away eventually.

      • Goatherd

        I was always taught that silence is consent. If false charges are leveled, they must be refuted, loudly! Thanks Outlaw for keeping this in our eyes and memories. We should pass this on to as many as will listen, I will.

      • Tink in Cali

        I feel this is happening all over right now, in the military, in politics, and elsewhere. The people who are in the positions to verify the facts and defend the truth are not saying anything and those with the loudest voices and the most awful agendas spew their warped views and control much of what the uninformed hear and see. Disgusting.
        I don’t understand why the higher ups don’t push back against the lies and misinformation, I wish there was a way to force them to do so.

  • Said it before, will again: Beyond grateful for guys like you Outlaw. Undoubtedly for your service, but also for giving the complete story and truth its proper platform.

    Still, I recognize and agree 100% with MCF’s comment above. You need to get your breakdown to more and more people because, sadly, our military leaders don’t seem all that interested.

  • I watched the video when you posted it, and the other videos since, and the only thing that struck me was how long it took to get permission to fire.

    I don’t understand what these soldiers should have done differently.

    • Ditto Mike…. what does it say about our civilization when soldiers have to ask permission to kill the enemy. And of course the video also begs the question… what were Reuters reporters doing with armed enemy in a battlefield… assumption of risk anyone?

  • One more thing: at the end of the above clip, the soldier says he saw an RPG (launcher?)at the scene. So was there one there in addition to the telephoto lens that was mistaken for one?

  • To All Concerned:

    I have read a lot of commentary from both veterans and active military on the internet regarding my film and I would like to make a few observations regarding the above article and responses.

    First and foremost, no one here has actually seen my film. Outlaw13, like many before him, is leaping to all sorts of conclusions and criticisms based on a short preview and a two-minute clip, both designed to generate interest in the movie but neither of which represent the film in total. “Incident in New Baghdad” details one soldier’s experience in the Iraq War and how the event depicted in the Apache video changed his perspective on the mission and on making war in general. It is about Ethan McCord’s struggle to reconcile being a warrior with being a father, and how those two roles came into conflict for him that day, and how he has attempted to resolve that conflict. The film as it exists now is NOT, nor has ever claimed to be, the definitive version of exactly what happened on July 12, 2007. It is not an indictment of any soldier’s behavior, but rather, a look at the horror of war and what it can do to an individual who participates in it.

    Here is what the Tribeca Film Festival jury said about the film:

    “The winner is a film that bravely explores the residual effects of experiencing trauma in war in a truthful and fearless manner. Using a mixture of archival and current material, this timely film is the story of one man’s struggle to reconcile war, his place in it, and the legacy he will pass on to his children.”

    As for the comments above regarding Outlaw13’s article, they are nearly all based on the same misconceptions. One claims that I have “little regard for truth,” yet my film features photographs of weapons at the attack site, and shows clips from several television broadcasts featuring interviewees forcefully defending the actions of American forces that day. Another claims “false charges” are being leveled, when the film contains no charges at all. I have an “awful agenda,” a “warped view,” I’m “self-hating,” etc. etc. This is all nonsense.

    I do want to thank Outlaw13 for laying out in detail his perspective on the events of July 12, 2007. As I have said elsewhere, “Incident in New Baghdad” is one step in my plan to make a larger film that is more specifically about this one incident, in which we will hear from many participants in it. I have maintained consistently that I will speak to anyone who wants to come forward with their direct experience in the incident, including the men in the Apaches. In this feature-length film, the complexity of the engagement from multiple perspectives will be more fully explored.

    In fact, in doing background research I have already spoken via telephone with numerous other vets from the 2-16, some of whom were on the ground that day. Needless to say, many of them disagree with Ethan McCord’s perspective. Their voices will be heard.

    Sincerely,

    Jim Spione
    Director, “Incident in New Baghdad”

    • Rufus

      Mr. Spione,

      If you do not wish to create confusion why release a film on this subject while U.S. troops (and soldiers from other nations) are still engaged in this conflict?

      “a short preview and a two-minute clip, both designed to generate interest in the movie but neither of which represent the film in total…”

      There are no doubt thousands of interesting, individual stories to analyze and tell in any war, but choosing a narrative and intentionally slanting it “designed to generate interest” in one direction while good men and women are still fighting to keep Iraqi citizens safe and free is risky at best, detrimental to our troops at worst.

      I know timing is important when one is trying to break into the media business, and the chances of this helping your career are much greater if you release this while our men and women are sitll in the field, fighting the evil warlords attempting to reinstill a dictatorship over the Iraqi people. You have made your choice. Frankly, it is disingenous that you complain that folks personally involved may take offense when their friends and co-workers are still engaged in this struggle.

    • Mr. Spione,
      Thanks for your comments. As you say I have not seen this film, the viewing of the trailer however caused me to want to express my continued exasperation at a misrepresentation of the events that occurred that day and a miss-characterization of the aviators that were involved in that event. While you yourself may not have done this, it has been done repeatedly since this tape has seen the light of day. The news of your film reminded me of this. A description on your website of a photograph which states, “The film features photographs taken by Ethan McCord minutes after the U.S. helicopter attack on a group of mostly unarmed Iraqi men” caused me to wonder, “What is mostly?” How many armed men do I need to see looking down a street toward friendly forces before it’s OK for me to fire. How many RPGs does it take to blow up a HUMVEE? I can tell you it’s one. It’s a sentence like that on your website that might cause me to think that you might have a bias against me and my fellow aviators. Please excuse me if I came to the wrong conclusion apparently they teach us that in flight school as well.

      While your film may not be about those events that day the clip you use to support that film includes the voices of people that I know and a call-sign of a unit that I flew into battle with. So forgive me if I react negatively when I see and hear that used to promote a film that tells the story of a Soldier who’s worldview was changed by the tipping point of that engagement. Maybe you might understand how I could come to the conclusion that your film wouldn’t present these helicopter pilots as being great American heroes or even competent military officers?

      It also concerns me that it seems (at least to me) that all or nearly all documentaries made about the horror of war reveal some soldier whose worldview has been somehow changed by the carnage he sees or has experienced never someone who’s view of things was confirmed. While I feel badly for Mr. McCord, I obviously don’t care for some of the conclusions he has reached about the war. The vast majority of Soldiers that I know don’t particularly agree with him either. While I don’t deny that Mr. McCord feels the way that he does and certainly has his right to an opinion, there is something to be said for trying to present a larger picture that more accurately present the overall opinion of those of us who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan. I personally have been there three times for a total of 37 months. I would be lying if I said that I was 100% positive about the war all the time, but at the end of it all I could see the progress made and what we had accomplished.

      I would be happy to talk to you about the events of that day, but I’m afraid that all my information would be second hand knowledge. Have you contacted the US Army Public Affairs in Washington in regards to interviewing the pilots? I can fully understand that they may not have been any help to you, but you might want to give it a shot if you haven’t. When I stated you haven’t contacted any of the people that were there or the unit I was of course referring to the aviation unit that did the actual shooting. Obviously, you said the film wasn’t about “the incident” but about Mr. McCord…so there’s the source of at least my confusion.

  • James Spione

    Mr. Outlaw:

    Thank you for your reply. I understand your concerns and I very much appreciate the respect and civility with which you state them. To give you a peek behind the scenes here, documentary filmmaking is not always a linear process and the completion of any project can often happen in stages which are not planned in the beginning. My original intent, and one which still exists, is to do a longer film that includes many voices. Having interviewed Ethan first, I assembled this sequence and found that his story alone was compelling enough to create a short film on its own. It is a story that is as much about PTSD and the struggle to re-integrate into society as it is about the events of July 12, 2007. My hope is that the attention garnered by this shorter film will spur interest in my larger project and will help it get funded by an organization with the resources to make it happen. In a perfect world I could do all of this on my own, but the reality is that I certainly cannot afford to finance a feature-length production myself. It can take a year or more sometimes to secure the finances needed to create an ambitious documentary.

    I am glad you are able to articulate your many disagreements with Mr. McCord’s opinions and conclusions, instead of calling him a liar or traitor, which many have been quick to do. I know it must be hard for veterans to hear his opinion of the Iraq mission and not take it as a personal attack on service members. But I can assure you neither I nor Mr. McCord, as far as I can tell from his interview with me and all of his public remarks, are out to slander or degrade the performance of our military volunteers or their service. If there is a criticism to be inferred from my film, it is directed at the policymakers.

    I ask for your and your military brothers and sisters patience while I attempt to put together a more detailed, longer, more complex portrait of this event. However, it must be said that no matter what I eventually create, people will find fault with some part of it. There is no way to provide a “completely accurate” version of a historical event, even one that has been meticulously recorded. People are often crying out for the proper context, but usually I find that this is a desire for something that will vindicate their own point of view. If the film I eventually make includes testimony from Iraqis who survived or witnessed this event, would their context be different than that of the pilots in the Apaches? You can bet it would. My aim is to provide both. Do some veterans emerge from war with their view of things confirmed? Surely this is true. But do they emerge the same person? I doubt it. To my mind, no one emerges from war unscathed. In the end, that is the deeper message that I will try to convey.

    Yes, I am sure there is much over which we would disagree, Outlaw13. I myself would be less than truthful if I told you I thought the Iraq War was a good idea, or that I think any constructive plan for engagement with the world which includes tens or hundreds of thousands of dead civilians of another country (and thousands of our own volunteers killed and wounded) could somehow be construed as “progress.” But I am certainly open to hearing from you and others who have served. There is always more to learn.

    I thank you again for this civil exchange.

    Jim Spione

  • Mr. Spione, many sincere thanks to you and Outlaw for this incredibly civil exchange. In today’s hyper-kinetic environment of name-calling and other ugly backs-and-forths, I really appreciate how you’re agreeing to disagree as you better explain your project. I genuinely look forward to seeing how it evolves, and also hope Outlaw gets further involved.

  • Mr. Spione,

    I understand completely that if you try to present any event involving multiple persons there will be as many versions of what happened as there are people. So if you do indeed find the money and make a film about the events of 12 JUL 07, I have no doubt that what you would put on the screen wouldn’t be a presentation that absolutely 100% mirrors my view of the events of that day.

    To be honest I didn’t care very much about what the Iraqi view of me or my aircraft was. I was sent there to protect American Soldiers on the ground and if they were in danger to try to put a stop to it one way or another. We knew from talking with the ground units that the Iraqis were scared to death of us…but that often worked to our advantage to break up a fight without shooting. Often the aircraft showing up on station stopped what was going on. That being said, I wasn’t there to make friends. I wasn’t there to build schools. We were there for one thing and one thing only.

    I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that every time I pulled the trigger it was on a legitimate target. We spent lots of time and effort to try and to ensure all of our shots hit the right target and that the right targets were hit. But as I’m sure you know, war is an ugly imprecise business, mistakes happen. People in the heat of battle see things and sometimes they would misinterpret them. I am reminded of an incident soon after the July 12th event, one of our teams was on a patrol near Sadr City and spotted several individuals carrying what they believed to be weapons. The team circled around trying to acquire a better angle and confirm what they saw. Sure enough it was several children (around the age of 12 or so it appeared) with AK-47s. But something didn’t look right to the Air Mission Commander. They continued to circle and eventually determined that the AK-47s were in fact toy rifles. They called the ground unit and asked them to go out there and tell the people in the neighborhood their kids could literally get killed playing with toy guns.

    I can also say that there was a lot more Iraqi on Iraqi violence, and sectarian killing (Sunni vs. Shia) than was reported. Just ugly stuff going on in the name of their chosen religion or sect. So when people try to start pointing fingers at Americans for the people we’ve killed, I would say that number absolutely pales in comparison with what the Iraqis did to themselves often with the help of Iran.

    I went to Iraq for the first time in 2004 and came home for the last time in 2010. I agree with you that everyone is changed in one way or another. I think (well, I know) I have become more cynical. Cynical in that I saw our political leaders on TV after coming back from a mission in which one of my engines was hit by small arms fire, tell everyone that the war was lost. Try to tell the American people “The Surge” had failed, when in reality it hadn’t even started yet. Cynical when I saw people inadvertently encourage our enemies to fight harder, by signaling that they want to quit. I’m not going to argue whether we should have gone to war in Iraq or not…kind of not my department, but once the decision had been made and the votes tallied in favor of military action we’re either in it to win it or we’re not. I can not stand those who would use our Soldiers on the battlefield as political tools to try and win an election no matter what party they belong to.

    So yeah, war has changed me. I’ve lost friends and seen things I’d rather not have seen and experienced some stuff that people shouldn’t have to. But I would say that should all be figured into the decision to go to war. Is it worth THAT? Was it? I can’t answer that and if we’re going to use the hindsight is 20/20 thing maybe we should wait till it’s done until we start drawing conclusions on the war and the decisions made before and during it.

    I am sorry that there are those who revert to name calling to try and express their point of view. I don’t think anyone is going to really learn anything from insults…that is if anyone wanted to learn rather than just engage in a battle of half wits as it were.

  • James Spione

    Outlaw:

    Thanks again for your directness and honesty. You were there in Iraq for a reason and of course as a soldier you’ve got to be clear about that. That’s a scary story about the children with toy guns–was relieved to hear the team figured it out. I have heard similar tales from vets and as I’m sure you know, it does not always end well. You’ve reminded me of that horrendous incident in Afghanistan at the beginning of March; I kept trying to figure out how the hell the gunners mistook young boys with firewood for adults with weapons. It is incidents like these that really make me question whether the whole enterprise of war is worth it. I am the father of two boys, and to be honest I can’t come up with any grand political goal or nation-building exercise for which I would sacrifice their lives. So I wonder why we Americans seem to give ourselves license to sacrifice other’s kids. I know it isn’t intentional, but it is inevitable in these conflicts, and the difference would seem to be moot to a grieving parent.

    I’m aware that the Iraqi sectarian violence was responsible for a large majority of civilian deaths there. Statistics I have come across seem to say that probably 3/4 or more of noncombatant casualties were Iraqi on Iraqi. No question that the conflict we unleashed there is a nightmare from every possible angle.

    Soldiers get used on the battlefield from both sides of the political aisle–nothing can press the populace’s buttons more than the life-and-death prospect of war, and all the primitive emotions it quickly stirs up. You seem to reserve your ire for those who would question the mission, but it must be said that the mission itself, wrapped in the flag and whipped up by fears of terror, was used as a powerful political bludgeon by those in favor of it.

    As stern as some of your criticism of my film was, at least you were not calling for my immediate imprisonment in Leavenworth–something that has been suggested by readers of other military websites! I only hope that I can remain unincarcerated long enough to complete my longer project–and continue my conversations with people who know the truth of war.

    Thanks again.

    Jim Spione

    • Conflict we unleashed? A hundreds to thousands year-old war, is that what you’re describing? Either way, Jim, please explain, because I could have sworn you readily acknowledge a few words prior how 3/4 of non-combatant casualties were Iraqi on Iraqi.

  • Soldiers are human beings and we are flawed. Mistakes are made and in combat mistakes can have horrible consequences. The man with the van on July 12th make a horrible mistake by bringing his kids to war with him. The Apache crew in Afghanistan made a horrible mistake when they mistook two kids collecting firewood for being armed. A lot of people assume that because we are flying through the air that we are not at risk, that we can sit up there from our perch and decide who lives and who dies. The truth is a bit more complicated. There is no other helicopter that the enemy would like to shoot down than an Apache. I have seen many aircraft come back leaking their guts out on the ramp after a mission. I have lost friends and have had comrades wounded on missions. We are well within small arms range every time we fly and that cockpit glass and my uniform shirt isn’t bullet-proof. So with that in mind understand that the people flying have adrenaline pumping, they are excited, they are looking around for other people trying to shoot at them and sometimes when they see things, they aren’t seeing what it is they think they see. Most times our wingman or the other pilot in the aircraft catch it, but sometimes mistakes are made and as I said when you make a mistake in wartime the consequences can be horrible.

    My ire is reserved for those who encourage (either overtly or unwittingly) those who are trying their best to kill me and my fellow Soldiers on a daily basis. When they tell the American people outright lies about the situation in Iraq for political gain…that is going too far, in my opinion.

    How and why the war was started was not really an issue at that point in time to me (circa 2006/7) because if I liked it, was in favor of it, didn’t like it, or absolutely hated the idea of it…I had raised my right hand a swore an oath to serve for a certain period of time. Now if I really felt really strongly about the war being wrong I could always desert and face the death penalty or jail time, but other than that there is little option but do your job and vote in the next election. An author once wrote, “ours is not to wonder why, ours is but to do or die…” Now I’m not into blind loyalty, but when I give my word or oath that I am going to do something you can damn well believe it.

    I don’t relish the fact that I went to war three times. My life would have been much better off if I have never experienced some of the stuff that I did. I wish we never had to fight anyone. The vast majority of my comrades feel the same way. Unfortunately there are bad, evil people in this world and sometimes the only way to deal with them is armed force. Does that mean I think everything was done 100% correctly all the time? Not by any means. There were tons of military and policy decisions that could have been done differently or done better. The problem occurs when we obsess about the past. We can’t change what has already occurred. What we need to do is find a way to get to the end successfully. At the end we can look back and try to figure out how not to let this happen again. Hand wringing in the middle of the fight won’t accomplish anything other than stringing things out and getting more people killed. Winning or getting to the desired end state is the quickest way to end the killing.

    Jim, you have a right to your opinion I have no beef with that. My concern from the get-go, was that you featured a Soldier (who suffered greatly and has a compelling story) who I believe had a fundamental misunderstanding of the event that caused him to change his views on the war. So if he was mistaken about that event, could his view that was shaped by a misunderstanding be also mistaken? He’s entitled to what ever view he wants, he’s earned it…but I still think he’s wrong.

    There’s nothing that I’ve seen or heard from you that would warrant jail time. Talk is cheap, especially on the INTERNET. People often type things they would never say in person, because relative anonymity allows them the courage they don’t normally posses. Good luck in the future. If you get around to telling more of the story please feel free to contact me and when you talk to the guys in the 2-16th ask them what they thought of the Apaches.

  • Googly Eyes

    CrazyHorse may have been devils or angels but I’m glad they were on my shoulder. They saved my ass more than once. Take it from one dumbass grunt in 2/16. The war sucked fro everybody. Yes we found WMD (but since they were chemical weapons aren’t as “sexy” as Bio or nuke no one gave a shit). What really gets me, though is that no one will give the trenchfoot his due. bust my ass, sweat like nobody business get a Dear John, not to mention being scared shitless almost every day, really all I ask is that people say “good job” and not beat me upside the head with every mistake made every chance they get.

    • GE, God love ya man, you guy were the entire reason I was even flying. Anything we ever accomplish as an Army is because of the 11B and his friends…everyone else are just helping.

      This CrazyHorse appreciates the kinds words. Be safe!

      • Googly Eyes

        Outlaw, If you know the pilots please send a thank you from me. I know a couple of the guys that were in the BP (Blocking Position) that were about to get jumped. They actually opened fire at just the right time. One of the troopers and fallen (tripped after a bullet ricocheted in front of him) and was directly in the line of fire when y’all opened up. He survived that tour because of y’all. I’m also assuming it was Crazyhorse that responded when COP Cajimat was getting lit up. You guys did an awesome job. I really can’t even begin to tell you what a relief it is when the Apaches (and sometimes Kiowas) show up.

        • GE, I know all of them. I talked with one of them last week, and I will pass along your kind words.

          It’s stuff like what you just said that makes me so upset when I see the events of that day portrayed the way they have been. I know we were right and I know what steps we go through before we pull the trigger on anything. The fact that we were there and able to give you the help that y’all needed is why we do this thing. The unit is leaving again this time for Afghanistan shortly, it’s my BNs 5th trip downrange, hopefully we will be at the right place at the right time for the Joe’s that need it.

          Be safe man! RANGERS!

        • -fritz-

          GE, and Outlaw…thanks for what you all do!

  • Googly Eyes

    Outlaw If you can shoot me an E-mail.

  • Delta Echo

    Outlaw13, please send me an email when you get a chance. Thanks.

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