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99 comments to Wednesday Open Thread

  • Good morning Texas! (and other places as well)

    Repeated here so Tink won’t miss it, to help round out her chili knoweledge…

    The guy in the commercial left out the “greasy” part in the description. :)

  • -fritz-

    Coffee and the rest available over on the new, improved Open Thread!

    • Magnus Caseus Formatis

      Thanks, David, for bringing this up. Simply to stir up the blood, today, I offer this (no offense intended, I assure you):

      The case against Newt: http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0701thirdwayp3.htm

      “Newt has always had the worst case of political Attention-Deficit-Hyperactivity-Disorder since the beginning of clinical politics.” This is only one reason I can think of to keep him out of office. He can talk a good game; but, like our current POTUS, he loses focus as he goes on to the next exciting thing.

      Let him control his mouth for a few years (and his adulterous proclivities); let him back away from the Third Way/Wave/Toffler crowd. Then, I’ll take a second look.

    • David Marcoe

      None taken. I haven’t declared for a candidate.

      But at this point, who are we looking at? It’s amateur hour over at Cain’s campaign as the accusations keep piling up. Perry jumped in without much of a plan and can’t seem to get his act together. Romney does Newt does, just more often, more quietly, and a fraction of the conviction. For all of Newt’s flaws, he’s the one candidate in the race–the Architect of the Contract with America–who lead the battle in Congress for actual reform and won it. No other GOP politician since Reagan can claim so much. His current marriage is, by all accounts, solid and the “he cheated on his wife while she had cancer” canard has been refuted by his own daughter.

      Now, I read this ten year old article. There’s some thumb sketch of a timeline, some snippets from thins Newt said, and a lot of commentary by the author. I have to be given more information than what this author alone presents (especially with the jibes about free trade agreements).

      So, if you have a better candidate, please bring him forward. Seriously.

      • David Marcoe

        To add: The way this article string’s together its information makes me want more context for what facts are presented.

      • Magnus Caseus Formatis

        Sadly, I don’t have a better candidate. I don’t have a candidate that’s worse, either. My candidate might have been John Bolton; but, he’s not running; and, once I got to know him, I might have changed my mind. Or not.

        Seriously, I don’t think I’d vote for any of them, and I’m tired of holding my nose when I vote. I like parts of Cain and Perry, but, not enough to campaign for them. Romney’s a non-starter; I don’t care how much money he has. Ditto Newt. We can’t afford to have another unfocused commander-in-chief. I’m looking for a statesman; and, I don’t see any.

        • -fritz-

          Why then don’t you run? You’d be 1000% better that the IIC we now have, plus the added fact that you would operate within the Constitution, which is something these hacks refuse to do! Plus you’re a Christian and conservative.

          • Stephanie

            I am ambivalent towards Newt. I honestly don’t know if he could be elected….Speaking of Cain…a month of this distraction is enough. Please go away…now.

            • no one who divorces a wife with cancer will get elected. I don’t even have to know the full back story to know that. Sorry Newt.

              Cain… WTF was he thinking? He knew these wimmins were out there (at least the 2 settlements) — if he really thought they wouldn’t come to surface then he’s an idiot.

              The GOP establishment did this… better now than by the DNC when he was the main guy. Bye bye Cain.

              • Floyd, did you read Jackie Gingrich Cushman’s account of the story? He didn’t divorce her while she had cancer. They’d already discussed the divorce before she went to the hospital, for the removal of a benign tumor (she’s still alive). The rest is pretty vicious spin.

                • Rufus

                  Oh. Wait. Never mind…

                • David Marcoe

                  As Lars said, Floyd, it didn’t go down that way.

                • I know that Lars… I should have been clearer (and more fair to Gingrich too)… I’m just saying he’s unelectable… I’m very sympathetic to much of what Gingrich stands for, but a good 40% or so are not and a lot of people will hear divorce, cancer, etc. and shut him out without looking any deeper. That’s wrong, but sadly a lot of folks will not go beyond that. Heck, I like a lot of what he has to say and I thought that until I did some digging a few years ago.

                  I think he has other flaws that keep me from supporting him (like that video of him with Nancy Pelosi and global warming — which I know he has disavowed but still. :-) )

              • Rufus

                I’m hesitant to comment on the Cain issue until we have more information, but as someone who has an inside perspective on executives in business I can completely believe he wasn’t concerned about these allegations. You would not believe the law suits, threats of law suits, complaints of harassment/racism/sexism/agism/lack of diversity/lack of religious diversity, etc., the typical company deals with ALL THE TIME. I can’t tell you how many petty and even completely fictitious accusations I’ve witnessed, as well as legitimate abuses of power. Half the time someone is passed over for a promotion there are claims of discrimination. Everyone has to be filed and dealt with.

                HR and legal almost always take the Executives accused out of the loop to ensure independence. I know of cases I’ve been involved with where the CEO honestly does not know if there was a settlement, or what it was. I have yet to see anyone dispute that none of these ladies were given legal recourse or recompense based on her allegations. Those who got “settlements” got severance because they were released from employment. That’s not an admission of guilt. It’s evidence the company thought the women were not worth retaining. It’s also evidence the women were unprincipled enough to drop legal action in return for some cash.

                Talk to HR people and Executives. Cain’s actions so far are not hard to believe. To use an extreme example, do you think if Jeffrey Immelt of GE decided to run for President he would sit down with his staff and run through every discrimination and harrassment suit filed at GE during his tenure? Even ones where he was implicated? It’s a mound of trash. He doesn’t even know about 1/100th of them and the ones he does know about he likely doesn’t remember the settlements.

                • David Marcoe

                  My own comments were never in regards as to whether Cain is guilt or not, but only on how he’s handle the situation.

                • I’m not saying Cain has to be concerned with their legitimacy. Their very existence is trouble and he should have thrown them out there up front. This isn’t amateur hour — this is a presidential election.

              • Rufus

                I agree on your feelings regarding the absurd and cruel manner that Newt treated his ex-wife.

                • Stephanie

                  five women..not one…all with the same story and Cain has said to expect more to come out? HELLO?

                  • Rufus

                    I agree the numbers are suspicious, but I’m staying out of judging. I have almost no evidence to go on. Do people falsely accuse people? Yes. Do people sexually harass and assault people? Yes. So I am willing to believe either side is correct. Absent more evidence I cannot judge.

                    My point is regarding folks who are shocked that Cain had not done more preparation. I can completely understand that aspect of his behavior. Personnel complaints like the ones mentioned by these women are an everyday occurrence and standard operating procedure is to segregate the accused from the process so the company can maintain independence in the ensuing investigation.

              • Stephanie

                The fact that the first woman saved all of the paper work and that it proves it was a settlement and not serverence and then voila Cain leaves NRA? HUH?
                A lot of people are trying to blame the women which is crappy. Cain lied, obsfucated, made horrid unsubstantiated attacks on other campaigns and yet he’s innocent? He is a distraction.
                And the problem with Newt is not that he dumped his wife while she was worried about Cancer its something else…they never really gave out the reasons why he resigned from Congress did they?
                Rumors have it it was phone calls to sex lines…

          • Magnus Caseus Formatis

            ME? Sergeant Shultz???? “Sergeant Shultz 4 President!” I don’t know -fritz-, I just don’t know.

            Kidding aside, I’m still looking for a statesman.

            I tend to be hawkish on military issues; but, I never served. Put those two attributes together and you’ll have World War 3, just because the POTUS wanted to “see how those things worked.”

            • -fritz-

              You understand the program though, which gives you a leg up. I’ve seen the reverse happen many times before, with this current admin., and at various places I’ve worked. There seems to be, with some obvious exceptions of course, a tendancy for those high up in the chain(s) of command, to emplace underlings that “see nothing, and know nothing,” as Schultz would say. They do this I believe, so as to make them, the higher ups, appear to be near geniuses. In actuality the reverse is true. When one surrounds himself with idiots, it really does a lot of damage, and makes the boss look like anything but a braintrust. I’ve seen it time after time where a superintendant or above will have nothing but bums, so as to make himself look good, and to prevent a good rising star from getting his job. It’s his “fear factor!” If, on the contrary, he surrounds himself with good, stable, intelligent subordinates, it will get the job done properly and make the boss shine. He’ll get a promotion even higher, and that rising star may get his job, but only because it is vacant because the boss moved even higher.

              Obama is not only totally unqualified for the job of POTUS, but he surrounded himself with nothing but idiots, who have gotten our country into a fine mess that will be hard to dig our way out of. If you, on the other hand, were to run for and win the election as POTUS, you could/would surround yourself with knowledgible, qualified individuals who work within the framework of the Constitution and do their jobs well. Know what I mean, Vern? :-)

              • Magnus Caseus Formatis

                Well, OK, you sold me on it. Now, where can I get my hands on $100,000,000.00? Gotta have those campaign $$$, or, in this case, $$$$$$$$$$$$.

                By the way, would you be interested in the SecDef job?

                • Tink in Cali

                  What job do I get?

                  • Magnus Caseus Formatis

                    Which one do you want? I’m not appointing anyone over at Education. Figure they’ll wither on the vine without a head. Ditto for Agriculture, HHS, Labor, HUD, Energy, EPA, and, maybe, Transportation. Did I mention Homeland Security, too? I’d Hold on to Defense, and Veteran’s Affairs. See?? Already I’m saving budget money. Which job do you want? Decide quickly; there aren’t that many to go around.

                  • Magnus Caseus Formatis

                    Are you good at putting nations in their place? SecState might be the post for you.

                  • Magnus Caseus Formatis

                    Or, would the Department of Cookies be more your style?

                    • Tink in Cali

                      Social Secretary or Head of Protocol. Either way I would probably have a wardrobe budget and could plan for a happy hour every afternoon. The Czarina of Cookies does have a nice ring to it, however.

    • Loyal Goatherd

      Unelectable or not, Newt is elevating the process. The back biting of past debates is history, Newt has pretty much set the tone here and it is for the best. Rightly targeting the opponent, Obama, and praising each of his competitors, Newt is spot on. (They call that leadership by the way) Let the voters decide.

  • Mighty Skip

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47420

    A mayor who died in 2010 is apparently still signing letters on behalf of a gun control group.

  • JimmyC

    Good interview with the producer of “Vietnam in HD”, an upcoming Discovery Channel doc on the Vietnam War. He talks about how Hollywood and the MSM always depict the war wrong, and how he made sure this doc was from the veterans’ point of view, to make sure he gets it right. Good for him.

    http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=174&load=6244

  • JimmyC

    And here’s your daily awesomeness for today: an entire road trip around the U.S., timelapsed into a 5-minute video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt-juyvIWMQ

  • Coach Paterno, thank you. You admit you made a mistake by not doing more upon learning of Jerry Sandusky’s deviant behavior in 2002, and that’s good enough for me. I’ve been praying for the kids and their families, Sandusky’s soul, swift and eventual justice, and for you to now exit as gracefully as possible. Those of us who know you more by your last 40+ years instead of the information learned in these past five days appreciate what you’ve done for Penn State, on and off the field. Again, thank you.

    • Magnus Caseus Formatis

      Glad he decided to step down. He’s been a great coach, and would have continued to be a great coach. I’m sure this incident really took his breath away.

      Still, at the end of his speech, he dedicated the rest of his life to Penn State, the very institution that covered up the crime. What am I to make of that?

      • Tink in Cali

        I think he realizes that many amends and much work will need to be done for the University to overcome this and wants to do what he can to help. He may also have ideas on how it can be avoided in the future since he lived through it.

      • The university’s bigger than the deviant schmuck Sandusky who caused others to let this disgusting and disappointing situation to go on as long as it did. Coach Paterno understands that and I’m of the mindset we owe him that much, to get the ship steering in the right direction again.

  • Magnus Caseus Formatis

    I don’t know how many of this consort are truck drivers; but, if so, whaddya think of this: http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2011/nov11/11-11-09.html

  • -fritz-

    Not in favor of them driving big rigs here. But then I’m not very happy about the illegal with an expired Mexican license and no insurance that rear-ended my Nissan last year either. However my reasons for both are about the same!

  • Loyal Goatherd

    Good Dr.Schplatt,(like the new eyed look) I understand some folks are peeing on the coal of the Cain Train. Are you still shoveling? Or are you waivering? I don’t think the accusations are credible, as I have yet to see or hear any evidence of inapproriate actions on his part. Innocence is presumed, guilt must be proven. Where are your sentiments, today?

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