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52 comments to Tuesday Open Thread

  • BarryO

    First.

    So according to Bill O’Reilly, Christianity is NOT a religion. Hmmm.

    http://toxichominid.com/2012/11/29/bill-oreilly-christianity-is-a-philosophy-not-a-religion/

    • Matt Helm

      It’s not a religion. Catholicism, Protestantism, the Assyrian Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, etc., those are religions. It’s funny how uneducated liberals are about religion and how dumb they sound when trying to argue points such as this.

      • Daniel Crandall

        Sorry to dissent, Matt, but Christianity is a religion.

        Matthew 16:18 – And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

        I for one believe that Christ said what He meant and meant what He said.

      • BarryO

        Interesting. So saying you are Christian doesn’t mean you are religious or associated with any religion. It simply means you have a certain philosophy. You have to state which sect of Christianity you are to imply you are religious. I’m not arguing the point, but you have millions of “uneducated” (your word not mine) Christians out there that think by saying they are Christian, it implies they are religious. They must sound really “dumb” to you too.

    • Daniel Crandall

      And this is what it gets you BO for thinking O’Reilly is some kind of theologian. He’s nothing but a loud mouth entertainer with a lot of muddled ideas about how the world works.

    • Christianity is a religion. Which is to say it involves not just certain rites and traditions, but a philosophy, a world view, and an ethic. But at its heart it is a relationship. Christianity alone, of all religions, teaches that man does not find his way to God, but that God has graciously come down to rescue man. Thus the relationship, rather than the ceremonies or the ethics, are at its very heart.

      • INFJ

        So well put, Lars. As to their “separation of church and state” argument, doesn’t that exist to protect all religions from interference by the state, or the institution of a state sponsored religion?

        Wonder why atheists don’t come up with their own special day to celebrate. That wouldn’t be so much fun I suppose. Who’s being INTOLERANT?

      • Matt Helm

        But what religion is called Christianity? There are many religions based on Christianity, but is any of yours called, Christianity? What separate Churches do you all worship at? There are many denominations that agree or disagree with certain other Christian religions. While they all believe they adhere lo Christianity, they differ. If Christianity was a religion, there would be no denominations, but one central Christian religion. That means no one could consider themself to belong to any denomination that disagreed with the others.

  • Texacalirose

    Merry Christmas!

    What Bill O’Reilly really said, which is being left out of all the Democrat, progressive, knee jerking because it doesn’t comport with that polemic:

    “You can celebrate Christmas without being a Christian.

    “It is a fact that Christianity is not a religion; it is a philosophy,” O’Reilly continued.

    “If the government were saying that the Methodist religion deserves a special place in the public square, I would be on your [the atheist apologist] side,” O’Reilly added.

    So according to Tammy Bruce, atheism depends on Christianity.

    The atheist identity relies on Christianity. Wherever there is a void on public land, where there is no Christian symbol at all, really highlights the atheist point of view [so I support] that wherever there is no sign of anything at all in public land, we should make sure that some Christianity is seen there to make it fair and balanced.

    Got the Christmas blues? Go shopping, take the 25th off, and enjoy the freedoms that the implementation of Judeo/Christian values has afforded you in this great and blessed by God country, even to atheists.

    • Daniel Crandall

      “It is a fact that Christianity is not a religion; it is a philosophy,” O’Reilly continued.

      That was BO’s point. And O’Reilly’s just wrong. It isn’t a “fact”. That is O’Reilly’s ill-informed opinion, and is quite simply theologically wrong.

      Otherwise, the Scripture I cited above from Matthew’s 17th chapter makes no sense. When it comes to religion (and a lot of other subjects, for that matter) O’Reilly should just shut up, because has no idea what he’s talking about, and ends up confusing a lot of well-meaning but otherwise gullible folks.

      Christ has rather strong words for those who would lead people to sin: Matthew 18:6 – [W]hoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

      • Texacalirose

        Crandall, I’m not agreeing with O’Reilly’s assertion. I believe Christianity is a religion, and I believe that O’Reilly believes it is, also. I think he misspoke in the heat of the argument with the atheist who would rip Christmas from the planet.

        I’ll bet O’Reilly will revise his statement to clarify his point, as it is beautifully articulated above by Lars & INFJ above and Charles Dickens. Just as everyone is Irish on St. Patrick’s Day, O’Reilly is promoting the acceptance of the exhibition of goodwill and charity and their symbols during the Christmas season regardless of one’s religion.

        O’Reilly is a bloviator (a word of the day!!), but I admire his effective efforts to keep Christmas, even the word itself, in our culture.

        That the dickhead up there opened the thread as he/she/it did reveals his/her/its ignorance about conservatives (O’Reilly is not a conservative spokesman) and his/her/its attempt to bait us; he/she/it wrongly thinks that because our ostensible spokesman declared Christianity to be a mere philosophy, our religious, philosophical, political foundation was about to crumble and he/she/it thought it great sport to pop some corn and taunt us with it. However, as per usual, the Threedonia scholars & scholarettes opened up a can of whup-ass on him/her/it and drove h/h/i out of the theater.

        I posted my comment re: the context of O’Reilly’s comments being omitted by Berries’degenerate blog site in order to to showcase what I think O’Reilly meant about the philosophy of Christianity vs. specific Christian denominations. I threw in a little atheist bashing just for good measure (not that there’s anything wrong with atheists that a little prayer couldn’t help).

        DC, I have to take issue with your comment:

        They don’t sound dumb. They are dumb. They fall into the vapid “I’m spiritual but not religious” crowd.

        First, I have a special aversion to those who are “spiritual but not religious.” They want to be seen as holy and seeking truth but don’t want those pesky commandments to cramp their style.

        Second is the “however” regarding people who claim to be Christian without identifying a denomination. There are many Protestant churches that are independent, nondenominational, Bible based churches whose followers are faithful, churchgoing, true believers but who call themselves simply Christians. They aren’t dumb (that was Berries’ word anyway).

        I love it here in Threedonia. Feeds my brain.

  • Scott M.

    Look,most atheists aren’t loudmouth buttheads,and starting a religion is a good way to get rich.Nice to see you again,Barry.

  • Stosh from the Sticks

    The problem isn’t that Christianity is a religion – the problem is that liberalism is a religion.

  • Scott M.

    Po’ little black girl!

  • -fritz-

    Christianity by definition is life lived surrendered to the God we were created by, fully accepting His wishes that we believe that His Son Jesus Christ paid the price for our sin, thus giving us eternal life, by our faith in that one gracious act of His sacrifice!

    Religion can be defined as: (n.) Belief in and worship of a God or other superhuman agency. This does not refer to Christianity per se, but could refer to a tree, Budda, science, money, government or any number of things that people place importance upon.

    True Christians live a life free of fear for the future, because we know we are forgiven. Religions, as such, and those who claim to be religious always impart a certain fear that leads one to believe that if they aren’t good enough, they will go to hell or cease to exist. One can never be good enough on one’s own to be forgiven for sin. That is why Christ had to die on the cross, to provide a perfect payment for our rebellion against God! Whatever is the driving force in a person’s life, even atheism, would be that person’s religion. Even “religious” Christians can be headed down the wrong path, if they have never surrendered to Christ. That is why Christians in general, tend to shun the word “religion” as not really very descriptive of true Christian faith!

    • INFJ

      “Christianity by definition is life lived surrendered to the God we were created by”.

      Thanks fritz, and to me the key word is “surrendered”. As St. Paul says, “when I am weak, then I am strong”.

    • Texacalirose

      I defer to C.S. Lewis’s comparison of “Christian” to “gentleman” in Mere Christianity to explain “Christian.” I especially refer to it when we mortals think we can determine who is and who is not a Christian based on the person’s actions.

  • Scott M.

    Religion….something to be hooted down the pages of history.

    • JimmyC

      That’s right, who needs religion? All it did was lay the entire foundation for our civilization: laws, moral philosophy, education, art, charitable giving. No, we should instead follow the example of famous atheists from history, like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Chairman Mao.

    • Daniel Crandall

      Did you go to a college or university? Thank religion.
      Did you study the classics or even read about the classics – in philosophy, history, science? Thank religion.
      Do you enjoy the ability to stand before a court of law and defend yourself against your accusers? Thank religion.
      And like Jimmy noted, there’s art, charity, moral philosophy, etc. All around because of religion.

      (And I won’t even get into which religion you should be thanking for all that, other than to say.. It ain’t Islam!)

  • JimmyC

    The GOP establishment still doesn’t get it. The last time we ran a true conservative we won 49 states. So by all means, let’s never do that again.

  • goozer

    Whenever I am tempted to discuss theology with trolls and provocateurs, I am reminded of Matthew 7:6.

    Not that I would ever engage with confirmed trolls in the first place…

    • Tink in Cali

      What about the unconfirmed ones? :)

    • Tracy,txmom2many

      what about orcs? I think I draw the line at wizards….except Harry Potter. I could totally take him in a theological discussion.

      • goozer

        Ha! Your comment triggered a repressed memory! ;-)

        • Tracy,txmom2many

          Ahhhhhh, Carmen. We have a young man in our congregation who really is very talented at rap but he does this one bit and I swear all I hear is Carmen doing “The Champion”. All he needs is a smoke machine.

          It really is a wonder that any of us stayed Christians after the 90′s (which was really 80′s ish for the church, they tend to trend behind).

          • goozer

            Well, the musical sub-culture in the church had precious little to do with my walk, as I was fortunate to have met a lot of brothers early on who were “in the know” about music, not just CCM, and were able to point me in the right direction to true CCM, such as the 77′s, Rez, Phil Keaggy, Sweet Comfort Band, The Choir, Steve Taylor, Undercover, Altar Boys, Vector, Charlie Peacock, Servant, Prodigal, just to name a few. Otherwise, I might have ended up thinking that Petra was the end-all-be-all of CCM rock (kidding – I’m not knocking them at all, I have all of their albums save the last few.) :-)

    • INFJ

      True, Goozer, but there might be someone standing around among the swine who has, “ears to hear”.

    • Daniel Crandall

      Ahh, goozer, where’s your sense of adventure.. ;-)

    • Daniel Crandall

      Even a hobbit steps out beyond his door once in a while despite the fact that “It’s a dangerous business, [goozer], going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don’t keep your feet, there’s no knowing where you might be swept off to.”

    • Mrs.Make.Do

      Don’t bring Confirmation into this. That’s a religious sacrament, you know.

  • Tink in Cali

    NFL Quarterback Facebook parody: http://profootballmock.com/nfl-qbs-on-facebook-divisional-rivalries/
    Pretty funny, but lots of bad language.

  • JimmyC

    Now that the third season of The Walking Dead is on hiatus, it’s time to recap the season in memes. If you’re a fan of the show, you’ll get a kick out of it, trust me.

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