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Exploitation

While this father’s son survived the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting last week, that won’t stop the Democratic Party and The Brady antigun people from exploiting his raw emotions

Andrei Nikitchyuk, whose 8-year-old son escaped violence at Sandy Hook Elementary School last week, had a message Tuesday for the National Rifle Association: Think of the children who could be saved in the future if stricter gun control laws are enacted.

“I would offer NRA, return this country their kids,” Nikitchyuk told reporters after a press conference hosted by Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.) and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which advocates for stricter gun control laws. “If they can do it, I would like that very, very much.”

Nikitchyuk said his son, who goes by Bear, is a classroom helper and walked with a fellow student on Friday to give attendance sheets to the principal’s office. Nikitchyuk said his son heard loud noises and saw gunshots and was then pulled into a classroom by a teacher and kept safe from harm.

And while I would and do feel sorry for him and the trauma he is feeling… he’s not winning sympathy from me by lying:

Nikitchyuk, an immigrant from the then-Soviet Union, said that after mass shootings in Columbine High School in 1999 and in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater earlier this year, he had faith that gun control would be addressed — even as the issue was repeatedly dismissed.

“I would avert my eyes, and I would still think something would be done, but all of those beliefs were shattered on Friday,” he said during the press conference. “Now I think we all need to speak up.”

Nikitchyuk said he hadn’t been asked to speak out for Newtown, Conn., where the shooting took place, and stressed that he wasn’t speaking for all parents. He told reporters he hadn’t been able to talk to many of them because the town is still in shock after Friday’s events.

Right… you just popped up on stage out of hundreds of parents at this school. Coming from the Soviet Union he should know better… and maybe after he calms down he might think more clearly… though I’m not hopeful. I sympathize with his trauma, pity his weakmindedness, and loathe the parasites in the DNC and the anti-gun crowd who prey on folks like this.

35 comments to Exploitation

  • Loyal Goatherd

    ….and you thought we were going to mewl about Star Trek……. I think you have found the mewling for today right here, in this little man.

    This is five days of the media saturating this event, it’s to the point now that we take a live report to beat the dead horse again while a funeral procession passes. What lucky timing. This is sick, America, turn the channel, Media, people buring their dead is not news. Let the people grieve without providing every second of it as entertainment.

    The next loser who wants to off someone and then himself, because he doesn’t want to go to prison, and wants to be star of this infamy circus the media has created, will just try to rack up a higher body count so he can be more infamous than the last one. The media is fanning this flame and it needs no help. Report what is new and move on. God save us from our baser selves!

    • Right LG. I was even put off by the NFL’s tributes. The New York Giants/Jets and Patriots I can understand. Maybe I’m a cold-hearted bastard, but only in today’s media culture is this a national tragedy… and it is horrific and evil and awful and all those things. But it would have been small potatoes at the LA Times back in the 1930s…

      http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/565526

      • Loyal Goatherd

        Yes, fear sells. But when the bad guy is nuetralized, the fear can’t be, you might turn the channel. So let’s find one more scary detail to trot out.

        And what is this crap, we have to close the school? It will be too traumatic to send them back! One must face their own fear again and again until it can be handled (get back on that horse), we are creating emotional cripples to populate a world ruled by fear. Obama voters by definition! AAAAHHH!!!

        • BarryO

          This comment is as about as repugnant as anything I have ever seen written here. Your dismissive attitude toward an incredibly horrific event for children and adults shows a serious lack of character. To minimize this experience to something like falling off your bike is appalling. Seeing friends die before your eyes, watching their blood spill on the floor, hearing the shots and the screams, knowing the killer is coming down the hall and your door is next, is not something that could be simply forgotten 5 days later. Children and adults are not back to school ready to recite their ABC’s.

          Brave soldiers returning home with PTSD are not told to quit their whining and get back in the fight. They are given help to deal with the emotional trauma. How could you even think that a child only on this planet for 6 or 7 years could even begin to cope with what has happened when full-grown adults cannot. Floyd’s post addresses the arrogance, ignorance, and outrage at trying to politicize the tragedy, and yet that is exactly what you represent with your final sentence. Beisdes the people that have been directly affected by this tragedy, I will also be praying for you.

          • Get your tampon out its twist BarryO and then learn how to read. No one denies the horrific nature of the act. NOW is not the time to make major policy changes in the heat of emotion. That is all I’m saying but since you feel and don’t think you don’t see that. I notice you provide no substance all feeling.

            Here is definition 1b. from the OED of “exploitation” — “The action of turning to account for selfish purposes, using for one’s own profit.”

            Now I’m going to assume your an adult here — explain how the Democrats are not exploiting this tragedy for their own profit (profit not limited to money but don’t kid yourself that there isn’t money and power to be grabbed here).

            The father didn’t see anything. I’m a Dad — I have three kids. I understand better than you, unless you have kids, how horrific this is. I am free to disagree that sticking your ass in the air to get f&%ed by the next whacko with a gun so you can assuage your feelings is a bad policy. Just cause he’s a victim doesn’t mean he isn’t weak-minded. And when he steps into the political arena to argue for a policy HE politicized it.

            If politicians would address the real problem — deinstitutionalization — these kids might be alive today. There’s bipartisan blame there for sure. We can have that discussion, but I don’t think you’re all that interested in discussing anything — just raising irrelevant examples and ad hominem.

            • Texacalirose

              What we have here, Floyd is a frustrated Danielle Steele wannabe. I haven’t read such turgid prose since I judged a local version of the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest.

              And not only is Miss Berrie O. Steele a simpleton writer, it has poor reading comprehension skills (a horse is a bicycle?). And it gets worse. It displays a deficient familiarity of Western culture (maybe it’s from Remulak). Where I come from, “when you fall off the horse, you should get right back on” means this:

              We may encounter many defeats but we must not be defeated. ~Maya Angelou

              The godly may trip seven times, but they will get up again. But one disaster is enough to overthrow the wicked. ~Proverbs 24:16

              The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. –FDR

              It doesn’t mean this:

              If four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal. – Barack Obama *This comment is as about as repugnant as anything I have ever seen written here, what with all that blood that is the color of cherry Jell-O or maybe strawberry Jell-O and it spills like the loose bowels of a Benghazi camel down the unprotected halls of an unprotected consulate on a dark and stormy night before a fun, fun, fundraiser in Las Vegas where “when times are tough, you tighten your belts. You don’t go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don’t blow a bunch of cash on Vegas [unless it’s a donation to my re-election campaign] when you’re trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices.”* [Hey. I’m kinda getting’ the hang of Miss Berrie’s writin’ style here].

              But I digress. So, the school’s closing discussion has little if nothing to do with readiness to recite the ABC’s; it has to do with the City’s short and long term plan to do what man has been doing since he walked out of the Garden. The school building is still a crime scene under investigation; the school, the learning, has been temporarily housed down the road. The debate, the discussion is whether to abandon the building or restore its identity as a safe and peaceful school.

              There are as many opinions and ideas for Sandy Hook’s fate as there were for Columbine HS, Thurston HS, Amish schoolhouse, Virginia Tech, and even the Twin Towers. The community will decide.

              Sandy Hook should be restored instead of converted or razed. It should stand as a symbol of the resilience of the human spirit, a tangible place where in time, the children can see and feel is not evil. If it is razed or turned into a bank of business offices, it will forever be the place where “the evil was” instead of a place where “the evil was but is no more.”

              The Twin Towers should have been rebuilt twice as high. But nothing gets built by those whose only talent is obsessive hand wringing. And I say at the risk of “politicizing” the discussion, Miss Berrie didn’t build anything. Obama says so.

          • Daniel Crandall

            “Seeing friends die before your eyes, watching their blood spill on the floor, hearing the shots and the screams, knowing the killer is coming down the hall and your door is next, is not something that could be simply forgotten 5 days later.”

            And your expertise in the psychology of tragedy is what exactly? You know this stuff how? Because of what you saw in a movie or on television? Or got from [Pop] Psychology Today? Or the NYTimes?

            If people led with thought and reason rather than emotion when research associated with grief and tragedy, we might be a lot further along when it comes to helping. Instead we treat people as perpetual victims. There’s a lot more ‘sound and fury’ to the world of helping people heal in the wake of grief and loss than sound science.

          • Daniel Crandall

            And save your smug, self-righteous prayers.

            • Maybe BarryO should pray he never has to have a gun in his classroom to defend his students.

              Stop Leaving Schools Undefended
              “Gun Free School Zones” have left our children undefended. Sign the petition give school administrators, security guards, and teachers the ability to defend students from mass murderers: http://www.defendschools.com .

              It’s already happening in Texas: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50137391n

              *Special note: No one is suggesting that “six-year-olds would bring guns to school,” as some of the comments have argued. Just as pilots have guns in their cockpits, perhaps teachers would keep guns in a handprint safe in their classrooms. (A handprint safe is keyed to one person’s fingerprints. This means that no one but the teacher could possibly access it.)

              • Loyal Goatherd

                Right on, EP! Our children are supposed to be our gretest treasure, why do we leave them undefended? Someone’s utopian dream of no guns, is not a good enough reason.

          • Loyal Goatherd

            Hey thanks for the lookout while I worked, even though people have been shot at their workplace before, I still go everyday.

            When death is involved we get squeamish, it’s our nature. Would you buy a house that the last owner died in? What if he committed suicide there? After murdering his wife and kids there? There’s nothing about that house related to the deaths other than its location. Should we burn it down? Sell it to someone who doesn’t know? Or should we confront our irrational fears?

            I hate to see the fame assigned to these craven killers and that may color my comments more than necessary. As far as the school closing, I know it will be difficult and the longer they wait the more dificult it will be. The investigation is questionable, we know who did it, we know how it was done and I doubt we will find the why it was done at the scene. You see, I don’t want the perp to succeed in destroying the school, which, arguably, may have been the intent of the shooter.

            There have been many tragedies mankind has had to deal with and in every case we have returned to the scene picked up the pieces and moved forward. This should be no different than any other tragic event. Did we stop mining coal after any coal mine disaster? Stop trying to reach the moon after Apollo 1? Give up flying after any number of crashes, highjackings and bombings? Titanic sinks, no more cruises. If the school is reparable, it must re-open and students should be taught the pride of resuming what one would kill to stop, their education and, indeed their very lives.

            When an enemy attacks and tries to destroy something but fails, why should we finish it for them? Deny them this! You may kill us, one by one, but we, as a free people, will not stop!

            • Tracy,txmom2many

              It is not necessarily true that the longer they wait the more difficult it would be. In some cases, giving it some time before forcing the issue can be helpful. As I said, there are things I couldn’t do right after my children died that I eventually was able to to, but doing them before I was ready and failing to accomplish it would probably just have convinced me I was never going to be ready. Waiting my time has allowed me to not only go into my hospital, but into other rooms to be with parents delivering a child that is not alive. I have seen this with other grieving parents too. Well meaning friends and family try and force them to get over it and get on with it before they are ready and it forces them into a position of either fighting to get what they need or giving up and closing off parts of their heart. It’s kinda like having a broken leg. You can’t get up and do a 5 mile run the next day, it would be damaging, there needs to be some healing first.
              I know quite a bit about not letting the bastards win. Most of my adult life has been about reclaiming things taken away from me by abuse, sin, and death. It has been very empowering when I have been able to do that but I had to go slow and be careful. The kids need to go to school, and eventually that school needs to be used, but maybe giving them some time and grace before is a good idea. And even if they don’t go to that school, they will be educated, they will be cared for. It’s not that same as never having another cruise, or flight, or work day. Its more like rebuilding something healing, remembering, and useful on the sites of the OK bombing or the World Trade Center.
              And I still think the people in that community are the ones who get to say how this gets done. They are the ones going to funerals all week. They are the ones who will live with knowing that at every event where children would be, 20 are missing.
              You are right about the media though. Without their help, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and those people would be able to bury their dead and heal their survivors without our opinions.

        • Tracy,txmom2many

          Well one very good reason for school not reopening for a while is that it is an active crime scene. Then clean up may take a while.

          I would have a very hard time taking my child back to the same school he escaped while his classmates were killed in front of him. I know that may seem overly protective, but these are children. I had a hell of time even driving past the ER where my daughter died, and that wasn’t even close to what happened here. I did eventually have to go back there but it wasn’t easy and I needed time to help me be able to do it.

          I feel it also gives value to the ones who died and permission to grieve to the ones who survived to have a time where the school is closed. Facing the fears and getting back to life must happen, but pushing it too hard can do as much damage as wallowing in it. It’s a delicate balance that must be struck by the community it effects, not by outsiders. Whatever they choose to do, it’s how they choose to mourn their dead, and those are some of the most difficult decisions to make.

          • I agree with that Tracy. I wouldn’t send my kids back to that building. I would take them back somewhere down the road so they can process whatever it would be they would need to process down the road (through problems not away from them).

            I have no problem with the district closing the school or whatever the district — presumably with the community voting decides.

            I have no problem with this father and his irrational response to very rational grief. My beef is when he steps in front of a microphone and tries to sway public policy with some penumbra of glory from the victims. Victimhood makes him an expert on pain and suffering — not on gun policy. I know I have people in my life who keep me piped down while I processed this. I wish this man had similar folks.

            • Tracy,txmom2many

              I probably should have specifically addressed LG…I wasn’t responding to the original post, just putting in on the school closing bit.

    • Daniel Crandall

      You may be plugged into this stuff more than I, so I’m wondering … where are the stories and videos of notable NRA members urging the shooting of gun control activists? Maybe you can find some and post them here, just so, ya know, we’ll know how “everyone’s the same.” It isn’t the Left that’s urging maiming and death upon their ideological opponents.

      Interesting, isn’t it, that no one I saw in that Twitchy link opposing Helgenberger’s violent-gasm against the NRA, DID NOT declare their hope that she be shot.

  • -fritz-

    The truth and the facts regarding gun violence in this country are all against stricter gun control…but when did the facts and the truth ever get in the way of the left’s battle for tyrannical control. That is what it’s all about, too…tyranny!

    Ther are some cities around the country that require law abiding households to possess firearms. The stats show that the violent crime rates have dropped double digit percentages since those laws were enacted. The cities with the strictest gun control have the highest percentage of gun crimes. That is very telling!

  • Daniel Crandall

    ” Think of the children who could be saved in the future if stricter gun control laws are enacted.”

    You mean like the children saved by Connecticut’s strict gun control laws? Those children? … Ya, scummy bastard …

  • Loyal Goatherd

    This comment is as about as repugnant as anything I have ever seen written here. Your dismissive attitude toward an incredibly horrific event for children and adults shows a serious lack of character. To minimize this experience to something like falling off your bike is appalling. Seeing friends die before your eyes, watching their blood spill on the floor, hearing the shots and the screams, knowing the killer is coming down the hall and your door is next, is not something that could be simply forgotten 5 days later. Children and adults are not back to school ready to recite their ABC’s

    Barry O, that is a compelling narrative you’ve written, I would add a little more, it adds to the drama.

    “Seeing friends die before your eyes, watching their blood spill on the floor, hearing the shots and the screams, knowing the killer is coming down the hall and your door is next, AND KNOWING THAT NOT ONE ADULT THERE HAS THE POWER TO STOP HIM. WHY? How can a gun be bad if it can stop this?

    • BarryO

      LG, your comment about “how can a gun be bad if it can stop this.” is a different conversation than the one I responded to. I was not addressing gun control and don’t intend to start now. What I was addressing was your comment about the children’s need to go back to school and face their fear to overcome their emotional trauma just a few days after their horrific experience. That’s just plain bullshit. Texacalirose would not send her “Suns” back to school days after a shooting like this. Tracy and Floyd finally admit as much as well.

      You toned down your rhetoric in your post below which just supports that fact that you knew you were way out of line on your original post. I agree that it is vital to show the community that it can establish a safe environment and be able to move towards normalcy again.

      • Loyal Goatherd

        That is quite civil BarryO, and appreciated. I’ll repeat my (pardon the pun) parting shot, again here, if the bastards lose, I have no reason to complain.

        • Texacalirose

          Loyal Goatherd
          December 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM · Reply
          Yes, fear sells. But when the bad guy is nuetralized, the fear can’t be, you might turn the channel. So let’s find one more scary detail to trot out.

          And what is this crap, we have to close the school? It will be too traumatic to send them back! One must face their own fear again and again until it can be handled (get back on that horse), we are creating emotional cripples to populate a world ruled by fear. Obama voters by definition! AAAAHHH!!!

          Loyal, can you help me out? Where did you say that the children should be sent back to school “days after a shooting like this”? For your convenience, I’ve provided your exact words above. And while you’re at it, if you don’t mind, can you find where I ever said as such? Maybe I’m over educated or maybe my panties aren’t in a tight enough bunch, but I can’t find anywhere “your comment about the children’s need to go back to school and face their fear to overcome their emotional trauma just a few days after their horrific experience. [emphasis mine].

          Something around here is just making things up again in order to keep its kerfluffle viable, kinda like the “repugnant binders of women” oh-the-humanity meme, in order to prove, albeit with fantasy fact-ettes, that anyone who doesn’t kiss Obama’s a$$ must also want to torture children. Oh, the repugnant repugnancy!!

          And for the record, I have raised two strong and brave and kind and sane men who haven’t sh!t their pants for a long time. I don’t need anyone telling me what I would or would not have done with my Suns. I’ll decide whether or not I would have sent them back to that school after a few days or not.

  • Loyal Goatherd

    And Barry, I do appreciate your prayers, (no snark there). The PTSD comment has me thinking about how quickly to resume class as usual. It seems important to me get them back in the school as soon as possible with their parents and police and teachers and counselers, not in any academic way at first. Just to show all involved, the buildings are not cursed, the people are not cursed, we can esatblish a safe enviroment again and move forward. Resume class only when all involved are able to proceed.

    PTSD was not widespread until the Viet Nam war, my dad, who served during the Korean war would point to what he said was the main difference. Before Viet Nam, troops would be shipped by transport and take weeks to get home. Very important decompression time, talking with your brothers who went through it with you. During and after Nam, the transport became the aerial type, and those poor guys were three days from the bush to the subway and mostly alone. In the name of compassion (they shouldn’t have to wait), we took them from boiling water to ice too damn fast and then are suprised some crack.

    • At the beginning of OIF, in 2004, I spent two weeks in Kuwait “cooling down” before we came home. It was like being in prison and wasn’t cathartic at all.

      When we arrived home we had two weeks of re-integration training, there well-meaning people started telling me that I may be having feelings of anger and depression. I suddenly became pissed off that I had to sit there and listen to people tell me how I should be feeling.

      They gave us a questionnaire designed to find those who may have problems. A series of yes/no questions that were fairly obvious. I answered yes to every single question, I received no special consideration and when the doctor looking at my paperwork back in the states, he asked me if I had any problems. I said no, and never heard about it again. I don’t have any issues other than an sudden massively increased inability to tolerate things or situations I consider stupid. I am lucky and even though I shot and killed AQI, saw Americans killed in action and all other kinds of awful things it wasn’t the kind of direct in your face things that an Infantry Soldier would experience.

      I would say everyone reacts to things differently. During the current conflict (believe it or not) Soldiers who participated in combat patrols and engaged the enemy in direct combat did so at a much greater rate that Soldiers from Vietnam and WWII. In WWII units were regularly taken out of the line for weeks at a time. In Iraq you went on a patrol for 5 days and rested 1…for 12-15 months straight. Re-deploy and then come back in a year to do it again. I really believe that the amount and intensity of traumatic events a person is subjected to is directly related to PTSD. Audie Murphy had it, even though it wasn’t called that back then.

      I agree that those kids should go back to school and the longer they wait the harder it will be. I pray for their well being.

  • Loyal Goatherd

    This thread is starting to have most important bomber longevity, I muse. Wonding if I’ll be re-reading it again someday soon and not so soon, too.

    Kirk to Spock, “How will this crew of yours respond to action, to the real thing?” Spock retorts, “Each according to his gifts.” Such is life.

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