- What an atrocious speech. As someone who has seen her in person, and watched her convention moment diligently, yesterday’s was dubious, meandering, thoughtless and belligerent. The setting by the lake was a bad move, and I can still hear the baby crying in the background as I write this. I’m still struggling to figure the point she was trying to make. Not the note you want to go out on. Brought back memories of the Couric snowjob.
- This move makes perfect sense and no sense. Her one strong point, her executive experience, is now gone. She’ll be labeled a quitter. On the other hand, she was going bankrupt thanks to Democratic activists and their friends in the legal profession. As she said, she had to spend her own money to defend herself while her accusers had the bankrolls of the state, not exactly fair. With all the outrage over campaign finance and such, you think there would be more concern over a constituency bleeding a middle class politician dry out of pure hatred. Given that, she followed almost none of Jonah Goldberg’s advice in his controversial column at National Review yesterday.
The resignation serves as bitter warning to anyone middle class or on the wrong side of the media – i.e. Republican – if we go after your kids, or your financial well being, you’ll go away. Just like the war on Joe the Plumber. There has to be some sort of mechanism to fight these sort of attacks, Republicans should be working to find it, because the left will now deploy this tactic at their leisure.
- Personally, I’m kind of relieved. CBS is working on a book, as are other “journalists.” We can only imagine the contents. Remember back to when the mainstream media had 700 reporters toiling through dumpsters in Alaska while Stanley Kurtz was by his lonesome in the University of Chicago library. Egregious isn’t the word, more like nuclear. It says something when the governor’s own brother said she had to spend 80-percent of her time battling the media and frivolous ethics charges instead of governing her state. Too bad Democrats don’t share the same devotion to diplomacy and peace with Republicans as they do with terrorists, dictators and thuggish theocracies.
- One of the dictates of my junior American History class was the lesson of the Vice Presidency – VP’s are chosen to ruin their careers. After watching Bush I slip into office and Cheney have considerable influence, this idiom died a bit, but it comes to mind with Sarah Palin (not to mention Joe Biden). Just how different would things be if she had not ran as Vice President. The media heat wouldn’t exist, she would be calmly working toward her second term as a Republican up and comer, maybe even a favorite with Sanford’s follies. Levi Johnston would be just another ex-boyfriend, her son would be an Iraq veteran. Instead, she’s been turned into a vitriolic sideshow of the worst sort. John McCain, the supposed man of highest honor, has let her toil on her own. It’s hard not to have sympathy for someone put into this position.
- Here’s my advice to Sarah Palin. Get out, go away. Spend at least 10 years in business, maybe raise some money and make some. Get a sizable stipend. Then run for Senate, and build some credentials as a national politician. Her base, especially those of the conservative ilk, won’t forget what led to this moment. Between Palin, Scooter Libby, the Obama media circus and his coronation, conservatives will be bitter for a longtime to come and they won’t forget what led to yesterday’s moment by the water. They will support her in droves, but winning over those moderates will take some time and a bit of a reset. Take a break, God knows you deserve it.
UPDATE: Mark Steyn believes Palin’s defenestration of herself will have consequences for others, particularly those in rural states with political aspirations.
In states far from the national spotlight, politics still attracts normal people. You’re a mayor or a state senator or even the governor, but you lead a normal life. The local media are tough on you, but they know you, they live where you live, they’re tough on the real you, not on some caricature cooked up by a malign alliance of late-night comics who’d never heard of you a week earlier and media grandees supposedly on your own side who pronounce you a “cancer”.
Then suddenly you get the call from Washington. You know it’ll mean Secret Service, and speechwriters, and minders vetting your wardrobe. But nobody said it would mean a mainstream network comedy host doing statutory rape gags about your 14-year old daughter. You’ve got a special-needs kid and a son in Iraq and a daughter who’s given you your first grandchild in less than ideal circumstances. That would be enough for most of us. But the special-needs kid and the daughter and most everyone else you love are a national joke, and the PC enforcers are entirely cool with it.
Most of those who sneer at Sarah Palin have no desire to live her life. But why not try to – what’s the word? – “empathize”? If you like Wasilla and hunting and snowmachining and moose stew and politics, is the last worth giving up everything else in the hopes that one day David Letterman and Maureen Dowd might decide Trig and Bristol and the rest are sufficiently non-risible to enable you to prosper in their world? And, putting aside the odds, would you really like to be the person you’d have to turn into under that scenario?
National office will dwindle down to the unhealthily singleminded (Clinton, Obama), the timeserving emirs of Incumbistan (Biden, McCain) and dynastic heirs (Bush). Our loss.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Carthaginean put it aptly in the comments: “Jane Galt anyone?”
Perhaps Cartman said it best …
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Jane Galt anyone?
For all intents and purposes, she was “Borked!”
Look guys this is was the Hedge Hog working here. John ever hear the story of the Fox and the Hedge Hog? The Fox knows many things, the Hedge Hog knows one big thing. Sara is a Hedge Hog. She will run against Murkowski. She is writing her book, going to make some money, get her PAC up and running and then watch out, 2010….hell of a primary battle in Alaska. She will win it to.
Let me know when you get your head out of the clouds. Palin has just screwed herself out of any political future in this country.
Forgive me for being cynical rather than upbeat, but considering the state of our country, our people, our culture, and especially our politicians, I’m not feeling particularly fucking patriotic today. What do I have left to be proud of?
If I owned an American flag, I’d donate it to someone else and buy myself a Gadsden DON’T TREAD ON ME banner.
Palin has just screwed herself out of any political future in this country.
Which could be the case, but much of her future will be foretold by the political climate. Nixon was dead after losing California, he won the Presidency a couple years later. Anything can happen. That said, I think this makes things much more difficult for her. My only reasoning for it is 1.) there is a major scandal brewing somewhere, be it contrived or real or 2.) she’s losing so much money and sanity in the relentless media/ethics realm she believes she can no longer be effective.
That said, I think this will make her political future much more difficult and up in the air. Who knows though, in three years, eight years, 10 years, after Obama and an army of Sanfords, who’s to think she won’t seem like a breath of fresh air.
Jake why don’t you just sit back and take a deep breath. OK? Head out of the clouds? You know the insult sounded so much like David Letterman. Unworthy of a conservative man, right Jake? The reality Jake is that you don’t know and I don’t know what she is thinking. But the lady has options. Allow this lady to do what she has to. Unless you are more intelligent and wise than Victor Davis Hanson, who would definetly disagree with you.
Stephanie,
I disagree with you on Palin running (for anything) in 2010, I don’t see her doing much politically in the next ten years. 2020, who knows, she will probably run for president or something around then. It took Curchill 10-20 years to recover from the COMPLETELY F%$@ED UP MESS that was Gallipoli, but he did.
Kit did you read what VDH said? Did you read Palin’s comments. Sorry but the subtext says otherwise. And hmmm if your gonna disappear from view Kit why would you write a book and have a political action commitee? Why? THink on that one. You know cynicism is like cancer especially whoa is me crap and thats where a lot of this new BASHING on Sara is coming from. You have no idea what she is up to. None. Give the woman a break.
I didn’t say she was gonna disappear from view.
I just said I do not expect a Senate run in the NEAR future. 2010, unlikely. 2012: possibly, but not very. 2016: who knows?
I am merely giving a prediction on something that is very unpredictable (politics).
And I am NOT BASHING HER!
Of course, when predicting, I tend to lean towards the worst, so I won’t be dissapointed.
Steph, you are right, there is NO way we can predict the future.
Here career could be just beginning, or it could be ending. (I doubt the latter)
Speaking of Churchill, finally saw The Gathering Storm this week. Sad how many lines in that apply to today’s Beltway Dems.
I think she’ll run in 2012 – I mean, hell, Dan Quayle made a bid for the presidency – but I don’t think she’ll win, get nominated, or even do well in the primaries. I think the party percieves her as damaged goods at this point, and will do all they can to hobble her. I’d be happy to be wrong, though.
Yep Republibot your right. I love prognosticating when we none of us have any inside information. Oh and being unable to shut up and listen to wiser people like the above post describing VDH’s words should be resoundedly ignored. What does he know.
Look scream shout call her damaged good but the thing is this oh ye of little faith…WE DON’T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND 2012 DO WE?
I don’t believe there really is much comparison between Palin and Quayle, politically or any other way.
She has been given bupkus support from mainstream Republicans. If I were advising her, I’d say go for a Senate bid on a 3rd party run. She may very well have a good chance getting elected in Alaska, which is as far out of the politcal mean as Vermont is. Then she could play spoiler in 2012, demanding concessions from the Romney-oids.
This is an excellent blog by Jude Cristodahl, subing for Hugh Hewitt…
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/56e765a0-4463-4a0f-ad89-3b2e0f30c1c9
Sara isn’t sprinting, she is running a Marathon.
Forgive me for being cynical rather than upbeat, but considering the state of our country, our people, our culture, and especially our politicians, I’m not feeling particularly fucking patriotic today. What do I have left to be proud of?
Let’s follow your line of logic, Jake. If your family’s messed up, you should just stop loving them. If you’re community’s fallen on hard times, that’s clearly the time to cut your losses and not look back. Catching the pattern here, Jake?
You have a country to fight for, that needs saving. So be proud that you have something to save, if only that.
If I owned an American flag, I’d donate it to someone else and buy myself a Gadsden DON’T TREAD ON ME banner.
You would so easily abandon to emblem of our nation to those who would devalue it completely? You would allow them to trample it so readily? You would not fight to win it back?
You seem to be missing a few cars in your train of thought, Jake.
David,
2 things:
Great takedown on Jake.
How do you italicize?
You have to use HTML. And please don’t ask me how. I’ve never been inclined to try.
Thank you.
Hey Kit,
it’s actually pretty easy, hence my ability to do it (I’m still pretty sure computers run on magic, bad magic).
I used the same link David gave you, here’s one to the tag list: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/default.asp . If you click on the tag you want, then click on try it yourself button, you can see what it does, and try it out there before here.
The basic gist of all of them though you need a “”. Write what you want, then another “” .
Clear as mud? just stick with David’s link
don’t listen to that mess, the little
hee that’s funny, the less than more than signs do all kinds of funny stuff. They are like the magic symbols of the computer world. I feel so powerful.
Sorry I’ve screwed up the “help” I’m such a dork.*blush*
Tracy? Tracy?!?
Someone call 911!
“ANOTHER UPDATE: Carthaginean put it aptly in the comments: “Jane Galt anyone?””
At the risk of sounding like an illiterate idiot, I’ve read everything I could find on Jane Galt, and I still don’t know anything about her. Or is this the point?
I second that.
Who is Jane Galt?
Have either of read Atlas Shrugged? Its a play on words. Who is John Galt is a question in the Novel. John Galt is a also a character in the novel.
Never actually read that novel.
(feeling stupid)
You’re not missing much. Read Road to Serfdom, by F.A. Hayek.
Read some of it. (Hayek)
Good stuff.
Can’t vouch for Road to Serfdom, Kit, but judging from David feeling the same way I do about that overrated Rand novel, I’d trust him.
Fritz: John Galt is the main character in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, ere go Jane Galt for Palin.
Kit: Thank you and here’s a guide to basic html.
Thanks Stephanie and David. No I haven’t had the time to read Atlas Shrugged.
Palin links resignation to ‘higher calling.’
By MARK THIESSEN, Associated Press Writer Mark Thiessen, Associated Press Writer – 40 mins ago
JUNEAU, Alaska – Outgoing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Saturday laid the groundwork to take on a larger, national role after leaving state government, citing a “higher calling” with the aim of uniting the country along conservative lines.
A day after surprising even her closest friends by announcing she would step down as Alaska governor more than a year before her term was up, the controversial hockey mom was still keeping details of her future plans under wrap. But in a statement posted on Palin’s Facebook account, she suggested that she had bigger plans and a national agenda she planned to push after she resigns at the end of the month.
“I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint,” she said.
Palin also cast herself as a victim and blasted the media, calling the response to her announcement “predictable” and out of touch.
“How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it’s about country,” the statement said. “And though it’s honorable for countless others to leave their positions for a higher calling and without finishing a term, of course we know by now, for some reason a different standard applies for the decisions I make.”
Palin’s personal spokeswoman, Meghan Stapleton, confirmed to The Associated Press that the Facebook posting was written by the governor.
The abruptness of her announcement and the mystery surrounding her plans has fed widespread speculation. But Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein on Saturday warned legal action may be taken against bloggers and publications that reprint what he calls fraudulent claims.
“To the extent several websites, most notably liberal Alaska blogger Shannyn Moore, are now claiming as ‘fact’ that Governor Palin resigned because she is ‘under federal investigation’ for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing, we will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation,” Van Flein said in a statement. “This is to provide notice to Ms. Moore, and those who re-publish the defamation, such as Huffington Post, MSNBC, the New York Times and The Washington Post, that the Palins will not allow them to propagate defamatory material without answering to this in a court of law.”
Palin has kept a low profile since her abrupt announcement Friday at a hastily called news conference at her home in suburban Wasilla, outside Anchorage. All of her public communication since then has been on the social networking sites Facebook and Twitter, or through statements released by her office.
At the same time, Palin informed her spokesman David Murrow early Saturday that someone using the name “exgovsarahpalin” on Twitter was spreading a false rumor that there was to be a party at her suburban home in Wasilla, outside Anchorage. Palin was afraid her home would be mobbed, and security was dispatched, Murrow said.
With only a few weeks before she steps down on July 26, and Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell takes her place, the governor spent the Fourth of July weekend in the state capital, Juneau, but was only spotted briefly on the sidelines of the city’s parade.
She had been invited to ride in a convertible, as she did last year, but never told organizers whether she would attend.
Juneau parade director Jean Sztuk said officials drew up banners in case Palin showed and was willing to take part.
As the last of the parade’s clowns and marching bands headed past her, Sztuk gave up on Palin. “What governor wants to be at the end of the parade?” she asked.
Her low-profile and vague Internet messages left mounting questions about her plans for the future shrouded in mystery. Will she lay the groundwork for a 2012 presidential bid? Will she find a high-profile place in the private sector, maybe on the speech circuit? Will she drop out of the limelight and focus on her five children?
Her constituents, for one, wanted to know, especially in Juneau, where she has struggled to win over residents.
“I think she owes it to Alaskans to tell us why,” said state Sen. Dennis Egan, D-Juneau, the son of Alaska’s first governor, Bill Egan.
Egan, hosting a 50th anniversary statehood ceremony, said he was disappointed Palin decided not to finish out her term, which was scheduled to end in 2010.
“It’s sad she abandoned us at this critical time,” said Egan, who was appointed by Palin to an open seat on the last day of the legislative session in April, after a protracted battle with Senate Democrats.
Palin’s departure can’t come soon enough for Laurel Carlton, a waitress at the Capital Cafe in the Baranof Hotel, where the city’s political movers and shakers meet every morning before walking a few blocks to the Capitol.
“I think she has a game plan that’s not Alaska, and hasn’t been for awhile,” Carlton said.
She noted Palin has a book deal, and seems headed for the national stage.
“If you’re really not going to stay and do your job every day, you should leave anyway, and so the sooner the better so somebody can step in and actually do the job,” Carlton said.
And as far as Carlton is concerned, Palin doesn’t need to explain why she’s leaving.
“We don’t care. We just want her gone,” she said.
Palin, whose popularity in Alaska has waned amid ongoing ethics investigations, gave many reasons for stepping down: She didn’t want to be a lame-duck governor; she was tired of the tasteless jokes aimed at her five children, including her son Trig, who has Down syndrome; she felt she could do more in another, still-to-be-defined role.
Sen. John McCain didn’t rule out a return to politics for his former running mate, saying Saturday he believes “she will continue to play an important leadership role in the Republican Party and our nation.” He gave no other details.
Even Parnell, who plans to run for re-election after finishing out Palin’s term, said he was shocked at first when he learned of his boss’ decision.
“But then as she began to articulate her reasons, I began to understand better,” he said. “And nobody — unless they’ve been in her position and understood what she has gone through and dealt with and who she is as a person — really understands.”
___
Associated Press Writer Rachel D’Oro in Anchorage contributed to this report.
She could be a leader of a Revolution……..
I’m taking a wait and see approach on Palin.
Just speculating… One word: fundraising. I bet Romney has something to do with this. He’s probably putting her on the payroll. She’s gonna fire up the base in way he can’t. The GOP needs to fill its war chest for the 2012 run. I can see her taking on a national role, but I think she’s given up her ambitions to run for national office. Resigning half-way through your first term as governor will work against anyone with eyes on the presidency. This way, she’s securing her family financially and the media will take all the shots it wants to at her. In fact, the GOP wants to put her out there as a human punching bag and deflect negative publicity away from GOP candidates. She’s a diversionary tactic. Every time the media takes shots at her, Romney, Steele, etc., will come to her defense. She’ll play the damsel in distress, who’s really kicking your a$$. I’m not saying she couldn’t be a great senator or POTUS, but the media and their minions won’t let her. Can’t remember what position she played in basketball, but she’s a team player. Her time will come. Maybe Energy Secretary in a Republican White House?
She was a point guard.
What the GOP needs to do before any of the future elections is to tap into the culture that the democrats manipulated to elect Obama. Nobody knew anything about him but the hype created on the cultural level through the media and Hollywood sold him to the independents and the apolitical. The first graders in my class even knew who he was, but didn’t know who McCain was. The GOP needs to market itself better before they run anyone for any office. Sean Hannity’s Freedom concerts are very popular events that draws huge crowds as well as a who’s who of conservative pundits and celebrities. The GOP should get all the popular conservatives like Coulter, Rush, etc. as well as actors like Gary Sinise and tour with musicians like Charlie Daniels, Ted Nugent, etc. so that these events could be concerts/pep rallies that could also tie into the Tea Party phenomenon. Also, money bags like Romney should start investing in film companies to make conservative value movies. Shaking hands and kissing babies just ain’t cutting it anymore.
Karen,
The media won’t let her? Since when are they the last word? Excuse me?
Taking a wait and see approach to. I don’t believe Mitt had anything to do with Sara doing this. What I do believe is this: She said she doesn’t make enough cash to cover her attorney fees and she can’t focus on being a gov when the scumsuckers are harrassing her. Let her write her book, squirrel hole some cash and come back with a vengence.
And sorry when Conservatives act like martyrs they suddenly stop being conservative and sound very Oprahish. STOP IT.
I haven’t said much on Palin cause I don’t know what she’s doing, and I’m not smart enough to guess. I wish she hadn’t quit, but I get her reasons. I hope she’ll be back, and she’s still in my prayers and contributions.
Steph, The media has and will play a big role in any election. Their character assassination of Palin has convinced enough people that she’s not ready and will never be ready for POTUS. I don’t think she has the appeal to draw in enough people in a general election, anyway. However, she does have the star-power to rally conservatives. And leaving the gov.’s office probably was best for her financially. She’ll probably throw her hat in the ring for 2012. She’s not a martyr, she playing good offense. She’s playing point guard. Even with FOX dominating the cable news, there are a lot of people who believe the MSM when they praise Obama and criticize the GOP. People want to be spoon fed, they won’t find out for themselves. So, I think the GOP has decided to exploit the Palin hate machine and unify the party by defending her. It only enhances the media bias toward Dems and against GOP. The principles of the GOP aren’t enough to rally people to their side, even with a sinking economy. The brand is too damaged right now. We have to unify against something, the media and Obama, to win back independents and rebuild. By all means, talk up her return to the national spotlight as much as possible. Palin 2012! The more serious she seems about a national run, the better. Bait the media into going after her, and the GOP will defend her. Can you imagine how refreshing it would be to voters if the Republican primary candidates defended each other against the press? It will undermine the integrity of the press. Yes, I know they sold themselves out a long time ago. You think she went to NY in June only to walk for charity? There was a meeting. I bet Karl Rove and Cheney had some input as well. Look, I’m thinking big picture. What’s going to get the GOP back in the White House? Sarah Palin.
“There has to be some sort of mechanism to fight these sort of attacks, Republicans should be working to find it, because the left will now deploy this tactic at their leisure.”
I recommend shooting up a few more churches. It’s worked fine so far!
I recommend shooting up a few more churches. It’s worked fine so far!
Not as good as shooting Army recruiters. Heck, you kill one of them and on one even shows up to cover it.
For a second I thought he (or she) was calling for Palin’s church to be burned down again.
Another awesome leftwing fascist troll! WHOOOWHOOO! You rule Sarcastic. You have anything intellectually stimulating besides proving to us all how really ignorant and stupid you are? Come on Dazzle us with your brilliance…smirk. You want sarcastic you got more than you bargined for you fine specimen of leftwing metrosexuality.
“Metrosexuality”? Is that when you can’t get it on unless you’re riding a bus?
As for Palin, I got nothin’. I have no idea why she resigned, but as some folks on another forum pointed out, “The attack ads write themselves.” Who’d deliberately vote for a President with a proven record of wussing out halfway through their term?
But deep in my black heart, I think a Palin vs. Clinton match in 2012 would be _HILARIOUS_.
“Who’d deliberately vote for a President with a proven record of wussing out halfway through their term?”
Hopefully not the same people who voted for a heavily left-leaning Pres. who knows absolutely nothing about the office or has no regard for the Constitution of The United States of America.
sarcastic awe…your nostrils are flaring. Is this what “men” who don’t have jobs do on Mondays? Or are you getting paid by post? Just asking. Cause teh guys I know are at work. Or maybe this is one of Obama’s promised Stimulus jobs? If so, interesting way to spend tax payer dollars.
I find you amusing. My dog has decided he wants a poster of you. I told him that pictures of sucker fish are not really part of the contemporary/traditional style I am trying to achieve in our new house.
But no really besides being a leftwing woman hating “male” (we aren’t sure you are a male. You may have the right plumbing, however, that does not a male make) do you have anything intelligent to say? Or do you just hate Sara Palin because she reminds you of the girl in high school who dumped you for the cool jock?
“Heavily left leaning”? Pretty much every Liberal I know is annoyed at what a moderate corporate whore Obama’s turning out to be.
Same planet, different worlds.
As for the Constitution, wake me when he tried to quarter troops in private homes–that’s about the only amendment left BOTH sides haven’t tried to weasel out of obeying.
Yet!
So now the loser changed his screen name? Dude here is a little advice: Women like descive men…well unless they are fugly harpys like Maureen Dowd who are intimidated by real men. Just a little advice. Now fly away metro fly fly fly….
Right, because my sex life is _totally relevant_ to my analysis of Sarah Palin’s inexplicable actions.
(On the other hand, seeing how many male Conservatives seem to have decided she’s the Sexiest Woman On Earth, maybe it IS.)
She’s “sexy” because she has a pretty good idea of how most Americans want to run their own lives and not march to some idiot drummer who wants to power their way through every facet of “our” lives, because down deep inside they think they know more about how we should want to live those lives.
No deep down inside these people are self loathing narcissists like the above troll. Hates himself so he projects all of the things he hates about himself onto those of us who really could care less if he lived or died, which really must piss him off. I am in a mood right now…grrrrrrrrrrr
I must’ve missed a press-conference or two. Seeing how Obama can’t even bear to crush the delicate spirits of finance companies by regulating them, what’s he done that’s turning this country into a Stalinist dystopia for us mere mortals?
(I have a pretty good idea how I’d like to live my life. It generally involves breathable air and e. Coli-free food.)
For one thing he’s given them so much of our money they are now beholden to him. And in the second place, I want the power to protect myself and family and friends from said e-coli, etc. Not leave it totally to the gov’t. to make all the decisions for me. When they start to dictate the amount of trans fat in my Oreos they’ve crossed a line that shouldn’t have been crossed. If I want to give myself a heart condition by eating those Oreos, it’s my own damn business!
Read our Constitution and you’ll see lots of things in it that will amaze you. I’m using Oreos to make a point. The Constitution doesn’t give the gov’t. the right to regulate my personal wishes and desires!
Stephanie–as long as you’re using your psychic powers to know what I REALLY think, could you focus them on the Middle East? Maybe locate either Osama bin Laden or those Weapons of Mass Destruction Bush was so keen on finding? Or make Kim Il Jong’s head explode, like in Scanners?
“I want the power to protect myself and family and friends from said e-coli, etc.”
Bwuh?
You’re going to run a microbiological food-testing facility out of your garage?
And you think _everyone_ should do the same?
I dunno about you, but I’m lazy and parasitic enough to think there’s some things that are better handled at the governmental level. Like making sure that the products Corporate America (and China, and Japan, and so on) sell us aren’t going to sicken or maim us. I just don’t have the TIME to run all those tests myself, and Consumer Reports can only do so much.
Enjoy your oreos.
OMG and he brings up that old chestnut? Is that all you have loser? That old boring hate America crap? Come on little man find a new leftwing talking point. Dazzle me. OK? Cause thats like from 2004. And we all know how well it worked then don’t we…
Now this genius will bring up Katrina, and 2006 and Obamawan’s ACORN election. Awesome. Bring it on.
Next time you want to have a debate troll boy have a point. Lets just say when I took the Philosophy of Logic I discovered personal attacks right off the bat are losing arguments. Basically irrelevant. Arguing old points that have nothing to do with the present situation are also irrelevant. After all we were discussing your hatred of women and especially a lady who has it all like Sara Palin. See the problem is yours. And whats funny is your last post proves it. You can’t come up with anything new so instead of answering questions you try and drive the conversation to something irrelevant. LIke all leftists. So, genius do you even have a point posting here? My theory stands, Sara Palin is the symbol of the girl in high school who ignored or dumped on you. And I need to add you must have spent a lot of time in your locker courtesy of her boy friend. And now instead of working on your own weaknesses and self loathing you are projecting it onto people who don’t care, (that’d be most of us) because you want attention.
Is this the way to get attention? Why not do something productive? Build a better mousetrap, or better yet go to the Gym and workout. Lose some weight. Get a job. Join the military (oh now I am gonna have Outlaw after me for suggesting that)…but do something constructive instead of abusing the rest of teh world with your pathology. We get it, you hate Sara Palin. Good for you. The thing I don’t get is your need to tell the rest of us. WE DON’T CARE!
Hello, Stephanie!
“OMG and he brings up that old chestnut? Is that all you have loser? That old boring hate America crap?”
I love America. I just don’t like the gang of crooks who’ve been running it like it was a crooked Savings and Loan.
“Come on little man find a new leftwing talking point. Dazzle me. OK? Cause thats like from 2004. And we all know how well it worked then don’t we.”
It’ll stop being relevant the second they catch Bin Laden. And last time I checked, we still have troops stuck in Iraq, so that’s relevant, too.
Can you imagine what you’d be saying if I said something like “Dude, that was in 2001! Get over it, already.” I suspect the screams of outrage would be clearly audible from orbit.
Then you said, with your bare face hanging out:
“Lets just say when I took the Philosophy of Logic I discovered personal attacks right off the bat are losing arguments. Basically irrelevant.”
But before that, you said:
“You want sarcastic you got more than you bargined for you fine specimen of leftwing metrosexuality.”
“I find you amusing. My dog has decided he wants a poster of you. I told him that pictures of sucker fish are not really part of the contemporary/traditional style I am trying to achieve in our new house.
But no really besides being a leftwing woman hating “male” (we aren’t sure you are a male. You may have the right plumbing, however, that does not a male make)”
“Is that all you have loser?”
“Little man?”
“And I need to add you must have spent a lot of time in your locker courtesy of her boy friend.”
You know, I couldn’t agree with you more. Name-calling’s a terrible way to win arguments. Maybe you could quit?
I don’t hate Sarah Palin. I just think eight years of Bush-style mismanagement is enough for now.
To be fair, Stephanie, I’m sure you’re right that arguing with you isn’t at all a productive way to spend my time. Fritz, maybe, but not you. At least he can go two whole sentences without making bizarre speculations about my sex life.
Don’t ring me in to your little fantasies. I was going to say something about you possibly having been raised by a dominatrix for the reason you may not be able to relate to a real woman. I was just trying to be a bit more gentlemanly.
As for your totally off the cuff misunderstanding of my intent with the e-coli and oreos argument. I guess you just lost the point in the muddiness of cloudy vision. In an ideal capitalistic world, the government would not have to have the FDA and other bureaucratic agencies to “watch” over us. This is, unfortunately, not an ideal world. But the bureaucracies have gone totally apeshit and are now at the brink of telling me how many craps I can legally take each day, so as to be able to preserve the water table.
And I do apologize for comparing the entire Conservative movement to the crazy church shooters. That was awfully tasteless of me, and a lousy way to start.
But you know, once you’ve convinced yourself that the country you love has been taken over by PURE EVIL INCARNATE, I guess it seems like a perfectly logical step…
This just in… Miracle worker BHO WHO just appointed another Czar-a water czar. Just another circumvention of the Constitution who only reports directly to “hishonor”, thus taking any control out of the hands of the ones he’s supposed to be working for—-us!
Another case that makes the point!
“This is, unfortunately, not an ideal world. But the bureaucracies have gone totally apeshit and are now at the brink of telling me how many craps I can legally take each day, so as to be able to preserve the water table.”
When that actually DOES happen, I’ll be right beside you on the protest line. (Or whining ineffectually about it on blogs–whatever works.)
Funny thing–As far as I can tell, Conservatives are worried about being oppressed beneath an infinite weight of crushing Government Regulation by Liberals. Liberals are worried Conservatives will KILL THEM. (Or get them killed.)
Seeing how I read somewhere that men’s number-one fear about women is women laughing at them and women’s fear about men is being killed, there’s an interesting parallel there. Maybe Stephanie’s got something with her relentless efforts to prove I’m insufficiently MANLY for her.
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“you may not be able to relate to a real woman.”
So, who here has actually _met_ Sarah Palin? To everyone else here, she’s about as “real” as Bugs Bunny.
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“Lets just say when I took the Philosophy of Logic I discovered personal attacks right off the bat are losing arguments. Basically irrelevant.”
One last comment and then I’m finished with all this. When did Bush cause us all to worry about being killed? America was much safer when he was Pres. than now. many Al Kaida(sp?) attacks were thwarted during the last 7 years. Now things have ramped up with Iran and N. Korea. Clinton had all the intell. on Bin Laden and even had him in the sights a time or two and refused to take him out. Clinton also said he had all the same intell. as Bush on the WMD situation. So Bush takes all the heat for doing the right thing? Not right!
My idea of a free America is not a nanny gov’t. that wants me to call 9-1-1 when someone breaks into my house and tries to kill me, but gives me the right to handle it right then and there. I’ve a lot of cop friends who call 9-1-1 “dial a prayer” and for good reason. Go ahead and take away my guns. The slugs out there who don’t live according to the law will still have theirs. This is just another example of why libs scare the hell out of me, while at the same time pissing me off so bad I can’t speak.
Goodbye!
I’m confused (that’s not new) what your point on this thread is. You don’t seem to be saying anything other than we need more food handling laws, although I’m not real sure how we got there from Palin quitting, and you don’t like Palin. I forgive you for the church shooting comment, you are right, it wasn’t fair or a good way to start, but I’ve done stuff like that too. Is there something else I missed? I actually would enjoy a heated debate concerning something other than personal attack, not that I would necessarily have anything to contribute, but I like reading them.
I have yet to read an intelligent rebuke of her, but I’m not looking either. Most of them degenerate quickly into speculation and name calling, but if there is something serious and true that is out there that you can either point me to or say, I’m actually interested.
“Clinton had all the intell. on Bin Laden and even had him in the sights a time or two and refused to take him out.”
As opposed to Bush, who moved troops out of Afghanistan, to focus on…
“Clinton also said he had all the same intell. as Bush on the WMD situation.”
…The Amazing Vanishing WMDs. Whatever _did_ become of those, anyway?
“My idea of a free America is not a nanny gov’t. that wants me to call 9-1-1 when someone breaks into my house and tries to kill me, but gives me the right to handle it right then and there.”
I missed the part where Obama’s trying to confiscate handguns. I know it’s a long-term bugaboo of the right, but which speech was that in?
Tracy: My main objections to Palin, in no particular order:
She’s a big supporter of “abstinence-only” sex “education”, despite having had a pregnant daughter as abject proof of how well it works.
She seems to be horrifyingly ignorant. At least she reads ALL the newspapers, and can see Russia from her house!
She’s playing the “Fauxy” card for all it’s worth. I didn’t like Bush doing that, and it’s not any more appealing from her.
She gave less speeches in her VP campaign than Joe the Plumber.
She was McCain’s VP candidate. He seemed to be pretty intent on “winning” in Iraq, and then moving on to “victory” in Iran.
To her credit, she did keep Trig. It’s nice to see someone actually living up to their avowed convictions.
Being the baby-eating Evil Liberal that I am, by November I was SO sick of Bush and the GOP running this country like it was their own private dog-kennel that I would have voted for Zombie Hubert H. Humphrey if he’d been the Democratic candidate.
I don’t want Palin to go away mad. As long as she goes away.
And Obama doesn’t act like he “owns” America. Give me a break!!!
She’s a big supporter of “abstinence-only” sex “education”, despite having had a pregnant daughter as abject proof of how well it works.
I don’t understand this argument. Using your argument, we should abandon teaching safe sex practices also, because they don’t work 100% of the time. Abstinence only does work for some, just like safe sex practices work for others. I will be teaching my children primarily abstinence only for religious reasons, but realize that in the heat of the moment, wise decision making is very hard. But that happens whether it’s just say no or put on a condom. Both require some sort of restraint.
Palin’s actual position on this is that abstinence only should be INCLUDED along with the other safe sex practices being taught. You have to admit that not having sex would pretty much make sure you didn’t get pg and greatly reduces the chances of getting a STD.
She seems to be horrifyingly ignorant. At least she reads ALL the newspapers, and can see Russia from her house!
She’s playing the “Fauxy” card for all it’s worth. I didn’t like Bush doing that, and it’s not any more appealing from her.
All opinions, and as such, valid points.
She gave less speeches than Joe the Plumber
But if she’s ignorant and playing the “fauxy” card, wouldn’t more speeches be a bad thing? That would seem more of a damned if you do damned if you don’t point. But you didn’t call any names and stuck to facts, so there it is.
She was McCain’s VP candidate. He seemed to be pretty intent on “winning” in Iraq, and then moving on to “victory” in Iran.
We seem to be moving that direction anyway. But again, you stuck to facts. She was his candidate, and you didn’t like his policies. No argument there.
I’m sad that you were in that position in November. I was in much the same place, I was not thrilled about McCain, but was a one issue voter (abortion), so could not go with Obama. I realize that makes me fit a lot of profiles too, but I would prefer it if we avoid things like baby eating liberal and church shooting conservative.
I don’t know that national politics was the best choice for Palin, but I am sad and a bit angry that the attacks Inot from you) on her were so very personal. I’m glad you didn’t do that. Thanks for answering.
Well I was gonna leave this, but it was in a speech on, I believe CNN quite some time back when I heard Clinton actually defend Bush’s Iraq policy, and stated that he had the same WMD intell. and would have made the same decision. Good grief, during the 9 months the UN spent farting around with a resolution, Hussein had enough time to move the WMDs to Antarctica and bury them in the ice. Personally I think they’re in Syria.
As far as gun control, I’ve also heard BHO state that he wants to do away with handguns and severely limit the number and type of long guns that people are allowed to own. This is totally contrary to what he said while doing his “centrist” speils while campaigning. Also, there are about 12 or more gun control bills pending on the Hill right now, that if passed would most definitely be signed by “hishonor.”
Now I have to go and get some work done. It’s been stimulating to say the least.
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! First off he brought up irrelevancies and old worn out leftwing bullsh*t talking points that have nothing to do with the FDA or Sara Palin. Apparently this is all the dumb a** dems can do? Rehash oldies? Is that it? An arguement that didn’t play well in 2004? Loser. Besides being an uneducated braindead moron…a total loser.
My advice stop feeding this parasite. Now I gotta go get some work done to.
Stephanie: “Besides being an uneducated braindead moron…a total loser.”
That’s pretty mean. What do you think, Stephanie?
Stephanie: “Lets just say when I took the Philosophy of Logic I discovered personal attacks right off the bat are losing arguments. Basically irrelevant.”
I couldn’t agree more, Stephanie! You should give that Stephanie a good talking-to.
fritz8945: “Good grief, during the 9 months the UN spent farting around with a resolution, Hussein had enough time to move the WMDs to Antarctica and bury them in the ice.”
Sure it a shame we didn’t have any way to monitor Iraqi Army movements…some kind of…flying machines! Or maybe even SPACE SATELLITES! Sure is a shame nothing like that’s been invented!
…And _IF_ I buy your notion, that means the WMDs Bush started a war over are _still on the loose_. Thanks, George!
Hah, will you listen to me talk…crazy Liberals, wanting a GOOD REASON for invading a country, killing a lot of the locals, and letting the place fall apart, kindling anti-US resentment that will probably last 100 years!
But, hey–it’s not like we still have troops there, or anything, right?
Anyway, I gotta get going. My Al-Qaeda cell is planning to distribute crack, pornography, and copies of “Earth in the Balance” outside a local elementary school, and I’m in charge of bringing the condoms for the homobortion pot orgy afterwards.
You guys have fun, now! Don’t forget to genuflect towards Wasilla five times a day.
Sarcastic guy seems to have confused Sarah Palin with Tina Fey.
Tracy said: “I was not thrilled about McCain, but was a one issue voter (abortion), so could not go with Obama.”
Just so you know, the GOP are _never_ going to ban abortion.
_Promising_ to ban abortion gets them votes. _Actually_ banning it won’t.
If they were every going to, it would’ve been between 2002 and 2004 or so, when they pretty much had all three branches of government on their side. But they didn’t, so they’re never going to.
Yes, I understand that. However, letting anyone for any reason get an abortion was more than I could stomach. I won’t debate abortion though. It’s my issue, I won’t be swayed.
Tracy don’t feed the troll.
_Any_ reason?
Including the (thankfully rare) medical conditions where the mother _will_ die if the baby keeps growing? Or where the kid won’t live more than two or three weeks of inchoate agony once taken off life-support (aka “mom”)?
Also, you’re going to need to have a stern word with either God, Darwin, or the Xists about that–thanks to rather bad design, something like one in three fertilized egg cells doesn’t implant properly and gets washed out come That Time Of The Month.
If it’s a religious thing with you, you are aware that the Bible doesn’t actually condemn infanticide anywhere, right? (“Thou Shalt Not Kill” counts, I suppose, but enough of the rest of the Old Testament directly contradicts it that I think it’s a bit weak.) There’s even a Psalm about killing babies! (137, in case you want to look it up.)
What part of “any reason” was too hard for you to understand?
Why don’t you just call her some names and be done with it?
So not only are you an expert on Honduran law, but also a scientific savant, and a Biblical scholar. You must be the smartest teenager ever.
Because Tracy, unlike Stephanie, seems polite and reasonable. Unfortunately, I think her views are the source of a lot of suffering. Even more unfortunately, I can no more resist a chance to argue than Ted Haggard can pass up meth and manwhores. Fortunately, I _am_ capable of arguing with people without feeling the need to make nasty comments about their sex lives instead of using facts and logic. So, I hope it evens out.
And I _was_ the smartest teenager ever. Unfortunately, as I got older, I stopped knowing everything.
And you must be confusing me with some other left-wing blowhard, as I will freely admit I know _zilch_ about the mess in Honduras.
Pretty low of you to use your name to insult Superman. (The Last Son of Krypton)
You’re right, my bad. That was the other one.
Isn’t it a school night? Where are his parents? Time to put the lap top down shnookems and go to bed. Mommy has warm milk and cookies for your snack.
No, Stephanie. This kid is college-aged. Younger kids can’t quite manage that tone of superior sanctimony.
Sarah Palin really bothers these people. They devote their free time to trawling blogs about her after she’s resigned!
I wasn’t talking chronologically….Maureen Dowd is still basically a fifteen year old girl to….and she is also a troll.
Thats Tracys thing. Your a troll. Don’t feed teh troll!